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Macquarie etc. What's your point? We are still giving CCM a home crowd like we have on those other occasions, just not the full gate as it took two games to draw 10,746, not one. If the gate proceeds were split, the attendance should be as well? There is no problem stating that the overall crowd was 10,746, but averages should not reflect this full figure. They didn't draw 10,746 on their own. Do you honestly think that CCM would draw 10,746 to a match against Perth in Sydney?
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The total score for Serge van Dijk is incorrect. The individual goals tally per round is correct at 8, this means he should move up a slot to show him as equal top scorer so far. I am unskilled in editing wiki and in my 2 preview attempts I screwed up the table formatting. I canceled my edit attempt
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However, like I said before, our current template automatically calculates all the totals and averages but the fb a team one does not. So as long as a team doesn't need to be moved up or down, you only have to make 1 change - the total (we're using expr: so that we can double check these against the
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MLS style table looks great and shows teams progression week by week. I'd vote for these and the collapsable boxes, which still retain all information without clutter. With more games this season it makes sense, simply copying the formatting of last season keeps continuity but lacks any improvement.
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Why do you keep fighting everyone who undoes your changes? 10,746 attended one event. That event consisted of 2 matches. 5373 + 5373 = 10,746 (eg. the correct attendance is only included ONCE in the averages). 10,746 + 10,746 = 21,492. There were not 21,492 people present over 2 games, therefore it
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similar on their website or in the program, we would be able to put this issue to rest once and for all. Unfortunately they have not. Fair enough we are not the NRL but following the precedence of a major football code should be given some weight if the governing body cannot provide clarification.
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Query: how is a 50-50 split the best and most accurate option? Surely we should look at other factors, such as each team's drawing power (both home team AND away team - don't tell me Sydney v
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Because it's rubbish. 10,746 is the official, ACTUAL attendance for both games. 5,373 is just a made up number that exists nowhere but here. If you look at every other source for the crowds, it's always 10,746. Besides, CCM played a whole bunch of games in
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So I was thinking about whether we should discard our own template and use the fb a team one. There is one advantage, when a game is changed we simply add a total, but if the teams move up or down then a fair bit of editing needs to be done. For example, if the team with the second highest average
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Ok mate, well ive done it now, it might be a little difficult for others to help contribute to it from now unless you want to go through every profile on the A-League websites like i just did! But its definitely manageable. I myself now have a record on my computer of all the players and how many
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The two options that seem viable are to either give them both credit for running a doubleheader to make their figures look good - accountants like to do this in real life, so there is precedence for that - or to treat the doubleheader as two neutral games that had no home team. Both require some
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5373 is not a made up number. If we had 6349 & 4397 for the two games, that would be made up. But 5373 is a clear divide of the overall match attendance which splits the gate between the two home teams. This isn't complex stuff. And of course we counted CCM matches in
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The A-League club websites have all the stats we need for it. The problem though is that I don't know exactly in which round each assist is made which would be needed to make an identical table to the one we use goals for. I guess we would of been better off preparing for it at the start of the
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It states that when you click on the individual game, but it doesn't mention how it is included in the averages. 10,746 did not attend two seperate games - neither fixture would have drawn that attendance if it wasn't a double header, and neither team would have recieved gate reciepts to the
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The FFA has very specific rules for abandoning games. They only count if they game has advanced past a certain point. The GCU-CCM game was NOT past this point, and thus does not count as a completed game. Please do not add this game to the results or attendances.
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It's certainly an option, the only negative is that the goalscorers are not on display. However, it's a lot easier to read and takes up way less space and the standard football box could still be used for finals. It's your call.
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2863:M. Thompson
2858:A. Thompson
2806:R. Pearson
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2782:(SFC youth)
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611:Perth Glory
556:Auxodium II
410:Top Corner
382:Goalscorer
253:Top Corner
229:Goalscorer
30:Start-class
4112:Categories
4081:Report bug
3442:officially
3288:RedsUnited
3177:Tomwijgers
3150:Tomwijgers
2951:Ah, ok :)
2891:(MV youth)
2889:T. Wright
2885:(AU youth)
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2877:(BR youth)
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2808:(PG youth)
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2744:S. Higgins
2739:(PG youth)
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2649:A. Brosque
2565:RedsUnited
463:Thoughts?
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3392:Limabeans
3383:this goal
3352:Squilibob
3318:Squilibob
3270:Squilibob
3193:Squilibob
3127:Squilibob
3021:Squilibob
2982:Squilibob
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2934:fb a team
2844:L. Smith
2831:Mi. Ryan
2820:J. Porter
2815:B. Porter
2794:M. Muscat
2789:K. Muscat
2780:S. Munro
2774:N. Munro
2768:M. Mullen
2763:D. Mullen
2756:M. Hughes
2751:A. Hughes
2699:M. Doyle
2683:(injured)
2547:Squilibob
2205:Sydney FC
616:Sydney FC
425:Textbook
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4070:Cheers.—
3711:RMCD bot
3683:unsigned
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2975:format.
2851:M. Smith
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2673:J. Coyne
2668:C. Coyne
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2622:Anderson
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592:- GCU •
579:- AU •
118:Football
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3282:As per
3108:fb team
2688:T. Dodd
2680:K. Dodd
2531:Davo499
2524:Discuss
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596:- MH •
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531:Goff348
509:Goff348
465:Goff348
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3035:Ladder
646:Match
587:- CCM
64:Season
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3017:every
643:Club
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600:- MV
480:that.
449:90+3'
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