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75,000 dollars for myself from Ilic (former GS player)'s contract. Everything was done for the favor of GS. I hope 1,5 million your driver took from the club was also used in the favor of the club. I do have the receipt of the following transaction.". Immediately after this, prosecutors started an investigation on former president Adnan Polat, Mustafa
Kabasakal (driver) and former sports director Bülent Tulun.. Although the club reported this transaction as a payment for former player Song, they were not able to prove it. The allegations against Galatasaray, however, are based on the 2005-06 football season. A relegation-battling Denizlispor surprisingly held then-leader Fenerbahçe to a 1-1 draw, allowing Galatasaray to win the title.
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Manisaspor from Fenerbahçe S.K."", "26 February 2011 Fenerbahçe S.K. - Kasımpaşa S.K. 2:0", "6 March 2011 Beşiktaş J.K. - Trabzonspor 1:2", "16 April 2011 Fenerbahçe S.K. - Gaziantepspor 1:0" are all the same which
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in the match fixing case, when a letter written by Bülent Tulun (former sport director) to former
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trumps every other concern in the case of negative accusations against living people. I understand that this will be hard work to fix, but we must always err on the side of protecting living people. Anyone who can source the big table I just cut should go into the history to recover the parts they
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I don't understand, the last edit thas been made by LardoBalsamico was putting some references tor the article. But if you read the references, they are claims and unproven. This same situation is everywhere om the article, for example a whole section of
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I've just tagged this article as overly detailed. It is, frankly, extreme. The first prose section is approximately 3 times to long. We should never have a day by day accounting of an ongoing event/investigation. We are an encyclopedia,
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