Talk:2017 Las Vegas shooting/Archive 3

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Accuracy is reduced greatly when the bullet exits the supersonic range. All the bullet follow a ballistic trajectory but different rounds can be superonic over longer distances. An AR15 is very flat to 100 yds at its normal zeroing rang. It rises a fraction of an inch before coming down to hit the 100 yd target. Even a round that is subonic is lethal though in accurate. An AR15 accurately shooting targets that varied in distance between 300 and 500 yds require considerable skill. The facination with the AR15 is that it's "military style" but the media and shooter lose sight of why it replaced heavier weapons like the M1 garand (.30 cal WWII) or M14 (.308 NATO). Both of the heavier weapons had longer range of supersonic flight and much more lethal but the weight of each round made it cumbersome to carry ammunition. The Ar15/M15/M4 variants are less lethal than thir counterparts. It's a very accurate round at 100 yds though and wounding is generally good enough for combat at ditances. The AR-10 was the original proposal for the M14 replacement as a lighter rifle but they chose the AR15 because the rifle and ammunition were lighter. --

4452:" (funny name shows a lot), sorry to say, seems to be a suppressor of important facts, who is on the far left and maybe a Muslim apologist or something, and delete or ignore or downplay facts that he doesn't like. (A Californian and a lefty gamer...yeah, real objective, I'm sure.) Doesn't change the reality of what was said and claimed, and how it's solidly referenced. The fact that all (what's considered) "reliable sources" and news agencies (both on the right and the left, and the center) are saying this, constantly, and news articles, that ISIS claimed responsibility and also that ISIS just months ago put out propaganda videos about the Vegas Strip etc, is something (for readers to know) that should 4539:.... Again, ISIS has claimed responsibility for this: FACT. And ISIS recently put out propaganda videos regarding the Vegas Strip: FACT. The mass shooting was on the Vegas Strip. And every reliable (and less than reliable and everything in between) sources are saying this a lot...also a fact. So far, ISIS has given no solid proof for their claim though, also a fact, (and should be clearly mentioned in article too). The claim is there and is a reaction...by a notable (though horrible) entity. The Islamic State. It's copiously and solidly sourced that this is the claim etc. And that's all the article is saying. Also a fact. Suppressing that would be wrong and non-WP kosher. Regards. 1678: 1687: 1485: 1669: 1660: 1651: 1642: 222:

by gun laws? Machineguns are regulated by the federal ATF under the 1934 National Firearms Act (Title II of the Federal Firearms Regulations); most states allow possession of a machinegun registered with ATF and part of the registration process is notification of local law enforcement. Since regulation of legal automatic weapons by the federal gov't is very strict, state laws are almost a moot point.The weapon(s) used have not even been introduced in evidence. What they were, how he acquired them are unknown. --

948:, but given how quickly she was cleared and the degree to which this was peripheral to the case, at the moment I'm thinking we might be able to avoid her name in the article text without real loss. We should definitely cite the articles saying that a female travelling companion (or whatever) was sought for questioning, but cleared, and those sources will make her name available to the researcher, but so far it looks like we don't really need it to make any useful point in the text. 31: 4959:(edit conflict) OK, good. I didn't realize somebody had stuck in under "hoaxes". It is now back under "reactions" where it belongs. I did restore those last two sentences that provide context for such claims. We don't claim the reports are false, but we do point out that they have made identical false claims in the past. And that in the several days since they made the claim, they have provided no evidence for it. -- 1374:

is to have common items in lower case, but otherwise it looks like this title of the concert refers to the Rte 91 Harvest....) The Lead should give the most important information first. Another editor told me the group had already compromised in order to downplay Paradise, but find some other way to lead with Las Vegas Strip rather than Rte 91 concert venue. That just looks indirect and laborious.

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population on food stamps, 2 million foreclosed people a year, and 1000 people murdered every day, didn't actually make the US a safe prosperous place but rather had the opposite effect, would be too much. I would actually support the enforcement of anti-terrorism law on people that cause that kind of unnecessary distress on the 99 percenters, just let them live in blissful ignorance.

2931:, for RGR and AOBC to be 2.43% and 2.82% respectively. That said, changes in share prices of +3.48% for RGR and +3.21% for AOBC on 2 October (i pulled current and historical share prices form www.morningstar.com/stocks) fall well short of being statistically significant. In my mind, this pretty well rules out including share price changes for Ruger and Smith & Wesson as per 1522: 5004:

present. As was stated by myself and other commenters, the point is not that Knowledge (XXG) itself is saying that Paddock was a recent Muslim convert, but that ISIS is claiming that (pretty forcefully now) and was doing this attack for that, and also a point that keeps getting ignored (and frankly speaking suppressed) on here is that ISIS

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yds. At 350yds bullet drop is 20 inches and falling fast (30 inches at 400 yds). It would be extremely difficult to shoot targets that were varying between 300 and 400 yards and moving with those rifles. He seems to have just randomly fired into a large group of people thankfully with a light cartridge. --

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If somebody put the ISIL material under hoaxes (I didn't see it) it didn't belong there. It did belong in "Reactions", where we report ISIL's claim, the FBI's "nothing to this point" denial, and a sentence or two about how ISIL often makes false claims of a connection to notorious attacks. Those last

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ISIS and journalists twist it into ISIS claiming it. Then they claim there's doubt about whether what they claim ISIS claimed is true. They get their clicks, SITE gets their fee, Knowledge (XXG) relays the headline instead of the meat and Hulk has to fix another damn alleged ISIS claim. It's like I'm

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I think it is worth noting that many domestic arms manufacturers are privately held companies (i.e. Colt, Freedom Group, Springfield Armory, Beretta USA corp, Glock inc), so the overall impact on the market are unlikely to be accurately reflected in the RGR and AOBC prices. Further, for the past 252

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They would still be lethal out and past 1000yds (and it seem he actually had higher powered rifles in .308 and not just "evil" AR15's – but only AR-15's have been shown.). The problem is accurately shooting them that far. A "high powered" rifle (not an AR-15) retain velocity with a heavier bullet.

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I just uploaded a dozen pics of the site and its surrounding taking from a helicopter a week before the beginning of the music festival, so they show the actual layout and scenario of the Festival. Because of the window glare and dirt in the windows not all images are top quality, and I use Photoshop

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It makes little sense to lead with a mass shooting "at a Route 91 concert venue" for the many readers outside Las Vegas. I suggest it should read "a mass shooting took place at the Las Vegas Strip in Paradise, Nevada, United States," at the Route 91 Harvest Country Music Festival. (I know Wiki policy

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Her firing has become a pretty big story in its own right. It's been covered in major dailies (Washington Post, NY Times, LA Times, Miami Herald, USA Today, Daily News, NY Post), TV trades (Hollywood Reporter, Variety), and other RS including The Forward, Fox News (duh!), EW.com, and Deadline.com. We

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When talk show host Alan Berg was assassinated in Colorado by Bruder Schweigen a Washington State neo-nazi group using a bootleg machinegun made in Arkansas by CSAL another white supremacist group, were the laws of Colorado on automatic weapons relevant? Assuming that such murderers would be deterred

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states that the ISIS is not involved till now and No major Media outlet have done it till this point .The last sentences only state that they have made 2 fake claims in the past without commenting on this attack and imply that this attack claim is fake which I would not state this point.Rather only

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who has been known to claim several events unrelated to ISIL as ISIL related events. And it was that same claim that was reported on news medias and web sites. But there is no evidence of its validity and actual investigators involved including FBI dismissed the claim and this dismissal too has been

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If ISIS takes credit for hundreds/thousands of things they have nothing to do with, do we need to mention them in every single article when clearly they have nothing to do with this? I see no reason to mention them at all. The news media wants ratings so just said terrorism before knowing anything

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I prefer the bigger thing first, and working down from there. In a story, you want to string a reader along, but in an encyclopedia, best to get to the main point fast. If the reader's still interested after that, they can continue with the lesser tidbits. Not a huge deal, though, and probably works

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I think that the result for Benjamin Paddock is accurate, since he was notable in his own right before, just nobody bothered to make an article for him. This guy, though, has literally nothing interesting about his life before this event, unlke even Mateen, who'd been investigated by the FBI before,

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If we have secondary sources discussing the gun control stuff, gun sales, etc. then we should discuss it. I went and moved it from the "Background" section to the end because it is not the way to start the article ... then someone promptly deleted it. Nonetheless if the sources find it relevant so

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This sentence should be removed, as it is irrelevant to the article. The Politico article referenced does indeed state the claim regarding Sputnik, yet there is nothing either here or in the cited references that describes any specific fake news or propaganda articles from Sputnik about the 2017 Las

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Elevation of the shooter and density of the people in the concert would be a factor. The weapons shown so far though, are not high powered or long range which is why they are not permitted or hunting animals like deer as they are not powerful enough to humanely use. Usually they are zero'ed at 100

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I think we need be more careful than usual with material about a recently deceased person that is contentious and dubious. I wouldn’t include it at this point. (In fact, it should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.) I might include it, even if false, once an actual motive is

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Knowledge (XXG) is not an unbiased, objective source of information; it mirrors the opinions of those who edit it, taking into account a weight factor that assigns more relevance to the opinion of those who contribute more. As such, the decision to rebrand all massacres perpetrated on US soil or by

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is going to change them and see if anyone notices. The other thing to bear in mind is that article text ought to be written like you could read it in two years and it would still be true – will those numbers and addresses still be useful then? Might be best to leave it to the sources, while being

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Beat you to it this time. I pointed the person to this talk page discussion. So let's be clear about why we are removing it: It is peripheral to this subject and involves a non-notable person. It actually distracts from the subject. Yes, the nasty comments and resulting firing have been reported in

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We should also be aware that the mainstream press is notoriously poor in reporting on the specifics and technicalities of firearms (... and cybercrime, and medical news, and scientific news, etc.) - usually it's a lot of general assignment reporters feeling around in an unfamiliar topic. It has now

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I agree that acquiring machine guns is hard, but I wouldn't necessarily assume cost is a huge problem. He presumably went into this situation planning to die, so I would assume that he would also be prepare to liquidate any assets he had in order to buy weapons and ammunition. If you are prepared

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One may, however, do so with a semi-automatic rifle. The distinction is particularly important given that someone has added a "Political context" section talking about the laxity of Nevadan gun laws: if the shooter used an automatic weapon, then the legality or otherwise of such a weapon in Nevada

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put out propaganda videos against the Vegas Strip. No one (who is of the "keep this information out of Knowledge (XXG)" bent) seems to want to acknowledge or deal with that hard fact. A fact, by the way, that has been mentioned a couple of times in (what's considered) reliable sources. ISIL has

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I admire your hope of decency still residing in humanity, I lost mine awhile ago. Infowars' top "news" articles read "What they're not telling you about the Vegas massacre" and "Footage appears to show gunfire didn't come from 32nd floor". So, sadly, we're going to have to be prepared to beat this

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Google News highlighting anything is completely irrelevant; as it states at the bottom of news.google.com; "The selection and placement of stories on this page were determined automatically by a computer program. The time or date displayed reflects when an article was added to or updated in Google

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Thanks for the ping - that's along the lines of what I was thinking, though I had forgotten about those cranks, specifically. (Something of a side note - I served in the military and have some experience with machine guns of various types, and I'd agree with that article on it not sounding exactly

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Some comments from CNN's law enforcement analyst James Gagliano - "Automatic weapon(s) like that -- had to be numbers of magazines or a very large drum, it sounded to me like a belt-fed weapon, a military-style weapon and then to be shooting down, to use the analogy, it was like shooting fish in a

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Hello, MelanieN. While prudence and carefulness not to sensationalize or inflame things needlessly with irrelevant information is appreciated, that can't be the go-to argument all the time, when things like this are mentioned clearly by "reliable sources" since the first day this happened to the

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Equally important to bear in mind is the fact that 99% of the USA population (the most regular readers of english articles) are completely blue-pilled into the idea of living in a safe prosperous country. Were they to be suddenly woken up to reality, the impact of realising that having 50% of the

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The reaction section has a paragraph starting with a sentence from the NV governor, then a lot of content from the POTUS, then a blurb from the performer. I suggest starting with the performer, then the governor. Then, after a paragraph break, the President's info. This would both balance the

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I still don't see how it could possibly be relevant to this article. Stocks of gasoline generator, bottled water, and canned food companies also rose in the aftermath of Irma and Harvey but I don't see that topic ever discussed in either of those articles, because they are equally irrelevant. The

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The brother in the article claims that they never knew their father. That doesn't make any sense – Eric is 7 years younger than Stephen, so Stephen must've known his father, otherwise how would Eric have been born? Obviously, "know" is a relative term, but at 6 years old you notice a person being

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I'll leave logic to the news. Knowledge (XXG) just summarizes reports from reliable sources. Most news sources are unreliable when it comes to the classification of firearms. The source should come from a weapons expert or law enforcement. Logic has nothing to do with it. Below it appears that an

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That's the thing, though. There's nothing contentious about ISIS claiming this. Many reliable sources agree they did, so we're fine to say they did. The violation would be claiming Paddock shot people because ISIS inspired him, and citing that to ISIS or Amaq. We haven't done that once here, and

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The information is in line with the necessary criteria for WP inclusion: reliably sourced, copiously sourced, and notable (since it's being mentioned all the time in every news outlet on the planet). Knowledge (XXG) is not supposed to be a lefty blog, but a NEUTRAL (neither righty nor lefty)

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I think the points are (a) ISIS claimed responsibility but (b) there is as yet no evidence the shooter was inspired by ISIS. Since the shooter apparently committed suicide to avoid capture, establishing motive would require a manifesto by him claiming intent. These things usually surface after

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intimate enough with your mother to father another child. Whether or not he emulated the father's criminal tendencies I do not know, but if the father disappeared from home when Stephen was 6 or 7 (in 1960), that would've been plenty time for him to leave a lasting impact on the child's psyche.

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You shouldn't believe anything you read on World Net Daily. 0;-D Actually, the source for this is ISIS. Yeah, those guys. ISIS claimed that the shooter was somehow connected with them or inspired by them, and they claimed that Abu Abdul Bar al-Amriki was an alternate name for him. This name is

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One could kill 50 people in 4.5 minutes with a semi-automatic rifle though. The fact that lay people "heard" automatic weapon fire is dubious at best. I would think that simply stating "weapon" or "firearm" until confirmation of the weapons used is released. Classifying the weapon before it is

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reported. So other than Amaq claim (which is unreliable) there is no proof. Regardless since many users wants the information to be included, I think it should stay and the current version is more precise, removing it might cause other users who keeps adding it to add an exaggerated version.

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The point is that WP arguably should mention this information (since all "RS" are too) and also clearly mention that at this time there's no solid proof yet that this was done for ISIL or that Paddock was a recent Muslim...also (since all RS are also). Just like reliable sources are clearly

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Well, it's not irrelevant, that ISIS is claiming responsibility. And yes, they always do – and police has all the last times figured out, that ISIS actually was behind. Actually, ISIS is more reliable as a news source than many mass media. But we should of course not claim, that ISIS did it.

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Someone who isn't involved in the investigation, giving a "maybe" should not be used as a source in an ever-changing event. Currently, the news conferences refer to automatic. That's what should be used and not speculation or statements from people not in the vicinity, not involved and not

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proof that it publishes fake news. There are different levels of government influence around the world from nominal to total, and only some of them aim to influence events in other countries. The sources say that Sputnik has a record of trying to influence events in the US and its allies.

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should we; if the sources point out a correlation so should we. I don't believe in gun control but I don't believe in whitewashing our coverage either. Like it or not, massacres are huge political hay, they often lead to new laws, and their political connections have to be explored.

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Yeah, bump firing without a slidefire stock is more or less useless in terms of hitting what you're aiming at, unless the distance is measured in feet. If it does turn out to be an actual automatic weapon, I'd be more interested in hearing whether it was legal or not (a la the

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See the section about about the name. Usually with this kind of event, we stick with the name we have until the dust settles, and then decide (after a week or so, and through a proper RfC) what name to give it. In any case, I don't think "massacre" will be accepted as a name.

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must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source. Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be

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POV pushing, WP/UNDUE. Stock prices across the board rose. Firearms and munitions sales hit perpetual records under Obama and I'm not seeing that on any WP pages. The first sentence should read during the festival at the village on the strip. Harvest 91 is not a place.

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It's not just that it was 50 people killed - there are more than 400 wounded. Again, this is not proof. And I agree mainstream news organizations do a terrible job of understanding auto, semi-auto, machine gun, clips, mags, etc. But we need to use some logic here too. --

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I think you are misinterpreting WP policy. RS covering something does not mean it should be included. It also has to be relevant to the article. We do not and cannot include everything that reliable sources cover. Why not include the ISIS claim? That is covered as well.

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None of the listed references state categorically that he was using an automatic weapon. The term "automatic weapon" is oftentimes misused by the media to refer to a semi-automatic weapon. Until there is some definitive facts given, it should simply say "weapon".

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There's really no reason to rush on this - we're not the news, and the news frequently gets things like this wrong on their first, second, and fifth passes. As I recall, the Orlando shooter initially "had a machinegun". Wait until they recover the weapons and ID

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and all that, but there was an earlier source stating northeast). A problem, however, is that 360 m doesn't necessarily take into account the shooter being 32 stories up (hypotenuse of a triangle...), and that 15 acres gives a lot of variability for distance.

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That second source (Israel National News) is very poor second-hand reporting - "While initial reports claimed Paddock was a recent convert to Islam, Clark County Sherrif Joseph Lombardo said he had no knowledge of Paddock's religious beliefs." That's it. --

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Its clear ISIS had nothing to do with this, but if there are credible sources reporting their imaginary claims, it should be summarized here, if only to stop arguments about inclusion. Obviously it only makes ISIS appear as "JV team" which ultimately are.

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and the AfD seems to be reflecting that as it's headed for a redirect, thankfully. That said it'll probably be recreated and re-redirected many more times as more info comes out, until the next big shooting whereupon everyone will forget about him, sadly.

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technique with a semiauto rifle or rifles. Not that hard to pull off with a little practice, and specialized stocks to facilitate this technique are quite legal. Best to wait for definitive statements from law enforcement on the firearms he was using.

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Just because it's being widely discussed doesn't mean it's relevant. It's armchair quarterbacking. Right now it's just a spurious correlation. I vote to remove at this time. Can add back later if there is something especially relevant about it later.

5019:" reasons? Hiding sourced and constantly mentioned information out of political correctness, or worries, or ideology is not supposed to be done on Knowledge (XXG) (yet unfortunately it's done too much too often, though against WP policy.) Cheers. 1543:. This diff mysteriously doesn’t show the removal of a massive amount of material, including the recently-edited section titled “Firing of CBS Vice President & General Counsel”. I’ve never seen anything like this at Knowledge (XXG). What’s up? 2050:...significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article... the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources. 4037: 1558:

As your diff shows, there was an unclosed "ref" tag. This caused Knowledge (XXG) to interpret everything that followed it until the next "ref" to be part of a single reference, with the result that ~6 sections were entirely hidden. I fixed it.

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While we're on the subject of OR, there are plenty of things that allow a semi-automatic rifle to simulate automatic fire - slidefire stocks, and binary triggers come to mind. Given the cost of machineguns, it's probably unlikely that he had one.

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only reason to bring up this fact is to depict gun sales as insensitive to the event, which is not impartial at all. If it has to stay in at all, it should say " claims that gun manufacturer stocks have risen as a direct result of this event".

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BBC and other major news sources have reported that Sheriff Joe Lombardo indicated Marilou Danley is a companion to the suspect and was a Person of Interest. Thought to possibly have driven him to the hotel that evening and been his roommate.

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More evidence - "'The way the shooter was identified was not from the muzzle flashes, but the smoke detector in the room went off from the amount of smoke that came from firing that fully automatic weapon,' the officer, Randy Sutton, said."

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No, but my point was more that there is more than one way to speculate about the nature of the shooting. We need not assume something based on recordings, witnesses, or off-hand remarks from police that aren't meant to be taken literally.

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US forces to "shootings" and "incidents" is not a sign of Knowledge (XXG) bias, but the reflection of the bias of the news those editors consume, and a very little price to pay for those generous NRA donations to the Wikimedia Foundation.

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ISIS's reaction needs to be in the article all International media have carried this claim .Please note we have added that they have offered no evidence along with the reaction.We are not making a claim that they carried out this attack

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Look, this is an awful act. But, can we pretend that we are an encyclopedia, use neutral terms, and wait for the facts? The word “massacre” means an intentional act. Do we know that the alleged perp didn’t have a brain tumor, as did the

4738:. If the investigators will establish in the future that the claim by ISIS was "fake" (which would be unusual according to RS), the claim should still remain on the page, but it should be added it was "fake" according to investigators. 1230:

She's certainly notable. Just look at all the coverage of her in RS. If there was a page on "social media cautionary tales", she'd certainly belong there, too. But she's definitely a notable part of this tragedy's aftermath/reactions.

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Sherriff Lombardo said it was believed the shooter acted alone but police mounted a search for and located a woman called Marilou Danley, who is believed to be the suspect's companion. The ABC understands Ms Danley is an Australian

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To be more specific, it is a Russian state-owned news agency. But again, saying that is confusing to the layman reader, because in that simple context it is no different to the BBC. In this context, you should include sources like

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actually mentioned in the article, in the section Perpertrator, but there has been no confirmation, and until there is, we should regard it as pure invention. It is common for ISIS to claim credit for any mass killing anywhere. --

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Yup the 360 m seems to be at best from the corners of each property .. so the effective distance was far greater, surprisingly. The 360 m is therefore misleading and we are best saying e.g. "several hundred yards" if you like

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Yeah, it's not all that surprising - the rush to meet the demand of the 24-hour cycle doesn't really allow for thoughtful or informed reporting. It's more important to be first than correct, it seems, and now I'm a grumpy old

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I've removed it again – just because something is reported in media doesn't mean we should include it (just like the right-wing fake news whatever below). There is no real encyclopedic benefit to adding it and could bring

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detailed search of personal papers, emails, tweets, facebook, comments posted to website verified to come from the suspect. The only thing we know for certain as of date and time is ISIS has claimed responsibility. --

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Las Vegas shooting: Isis claims responsibility for deadliest gun massacre in US history. Las Vegas gunman identified as American convert to Islam. Would wish it wasn't the case, but there might be an ideology behind

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indicated, it could have been bump fire/slidefire stock. Most every public briefing has mentioned "automatic" by police or others, but we should wait for the specific weapons used before going into any detail. --

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put back in the 390 m distance .. but I don't see the point in citing a German source that seems to be incorrect from a cursory exam of Google maps. .. at least the shooter was at a greater distance, it seems

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Hopefully this isn't going to end up like Sandy Hook or JFK's assassination where some people spend all day coming up with conspiracy theories. At first sight, this looks like a much deadlier version of the

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exists for this very reason, to prevent the "all sourced content must be included in an article" nonsense. As others have noted, this is a non-notable individual then employed by CBS, and promptly fired.

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The IP has been blocked. an obvious sock/logged out editor and virtually admits it with an edit summary response to mu NPA warning saying that they are “leaving this page anyway”. 20:58, 2 October 2017

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which this arguably is. To say it's not relevant means that every news journalist (of whatever place in the spectrum) is constantly saying irrelevant information. Not WP's call to make. Regards.

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It could have been a semi-automatic weapons. And a pistol may be semi, or full automatic. A rifle may be semi or full automatic. So, just because it wasn't a pistol does not mean it was an automatic

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I agree with this. I can see no reason to include Danley's name as it certainly doesn't lend any additional understanding to the event, and can only serve to harm Danley over the near (and long) term.

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The shooter knew his father (until he was 7at least), there is period coverage on how a neighbor took him to the pool when the father was arrested. As for the brother, speculation here is tangential.

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I agree. The sentence on the threat back in May should definitely be removed as the source following it predates the attacks and no law enforcement agency has linked this threat to the shootings.--

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Listening to some audio of the event, it is apparent that at times, there were at least two guns being discharged simultaneously. Soon, there will probably be reliable news reports of this fact.

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Vegas Strip shooting (in fact, Politico's inline citation links to someone's Twitter post). There is no reason for this sentence to be included as presently written and with its current citations.

4505:. Perhaps it cold change as the investigation digs deeper, but for now this is the official line. The article does not need to go into any more detail about a spurious claim than it already does. 3419: 3280: 2623:"Shares of firearm manufacturers rose on the day following the mass shooting, which was typical in the wake of mass shootings in the US as sales rose from fear of future gun control measures." 200: 916:"During a news conference Monday morning, Lombardo said that investigators have spoken with Danley, who was located outside the country, and do not believe she was involved in the shooting." 4273:

they read in a headline instead of the Amaq version, because it's easier. When the clarifying's already present, it's less tempting to actively unclarify it. But yeah, that worry, too, is a

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Thanks – that's a nicely approximate solution. Are you mistaking feet for yards? The linear distance from the edge of the hotel to the corner of LVV is ~225m or ~750ft, which is ~250 yards.

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If I recall correctly, Islamic terrorist groups also claimed responsibility for the Oklahoma City bombing, which was obviously false. We definitely need more than "they said they did it."

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I am confused by this sentence also, What was wrong with Sputniks story on the shooting? If it was accurate then it is a good thing it was trending on facebook and not some fake news...

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Even if, as dirty.digger pointed out, there isn't a statistically relevant correlation between the events? In the interest of full disclosure, dirty.digger is my roommate and friend.

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This sentence in the context of fake news is problematic, and no I'm not saying Sputnik is reliable. It is phrased to say that the source is unreliable because it is from a country.

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The sources do not say that this attack this fake only 2 fake claims were made and FBI have only no evidence up to this Point.They have not ruled Islamic state out hence removed it.

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At this point the Orlando shooting isn't even mentioned in the body of the article or even in the See Also section, and the claim is not supported by a reliable source in the lead.

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some sources. So have lots and lots and lots of other details. This is one of the least important IMO. But I'm not the only person here; let's discuss and consensus will rule. --

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I have re-added the Facebook sentence, with a source that Facebook listed the two pages as "trending", and a source that Sputnik has been described as Russian propaganda. --

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It's probably their silliest claim of responsibility yet. They must be desperate for publicity. Let's not give it to them unless an official in the USA confirms any link.--

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That page has become a dumping ground for content that is rejected here. It's bloat, a list of "X condemns Y at Z", I hope the deletion discussion is successful.

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trading days (the nominal number of trading days in a calendar year) I calculate the standard deviation of the daily logarithmic returns, or historical daily

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I was unable to find this reported in any Reliable Source. If sources do pick it up we will make the change, but right now everyplace is still saying 527. --

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Nothing wrong with including news coverage of such services, but including them just to be nice and helpful is not the job of an encyclopedia unfortunately

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I'm not sure what your definition of "notable" is. In the age of social media and 24/7 news, I think she is. Admittedly, perhaps only for a moment. But it

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Could just as easily be a hoax or misreporting. Wait until more evidence comes in. If he was connected to Islamic State, then it will be proved later.

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but there are still many unanswered questions. Please don't post speculative interpretations of YouTube videos, it's not going to help the article.--

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section above – there is the possibility the shooter was using a crank, which would account for the differing (and sometimes erratic) rates of fire.

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come to light that the weapons were very likely not automatic at all, and were semi-automatic weapons adapted to provide full-auto capability. See:

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to spend the entirety of your life savings, then even quite substantial weapons would be within the realm of possibility for many 60-year-old men.

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of responsibility by ISIS is obviously relevant to the subject, and it is reliably sourced to multiple RS. Therefore, I think it must be included

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It's unclear at the moment. Fully automatic means that a weapon will fire continuously when the trigger is held down. This is commonly known as a

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I'm not going to go through every deleted bit of fake news to find what you're talking about. Spell it out, please, or at least link something.

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These comments are sufficiently sourced to back up the claim of automatic weapons being used and this citation should be added to the article.

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size of the paragraphs, as well as start with local responses and work up to more global ones. I cannot do this, as it's locked. Comments?

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by the time someone got around to a merger discussion, to the point where it needed to be a merger discussion instead of a half-cocked AfD.

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about this incident, the incident is in the article in great detail. I am going to remove it. We can discuss here whether to restore it. --

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released, a few months ago, anti-Vegas Strip videos etc. Maybe a coincidence, but at this point not known for sure yet, and maybe not.

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Once we know something about the actual motive, then we can add various initial speculations and claims. Until then, it’s misleading.

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I think this is pretty much self-explanatory. "Deadliest" refers to the event's relative rank in terms of the number who died. See

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It is being widely discussed throughout mainstream media sources so it appears to be relevant information on this subject. Here is

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Redirected it back here, like all the other variations of the name. If it's reverted/recreated I guess AfD would be reasonable.

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to reduce these defects, but please pick a diff pic than the one I posted in the main article. The new pics are available here:

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Very minor and tangential. Not worth noting in the main article. Focus on the attack and the perpetator, and the investigation.

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here. What evidence there is strongly suggests that all of the shots were fired from a single location in the Mandalay Hotel.--

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Add it to a gun related article at some future time if warranted. The markets are very reactive and often immediately reverse.

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I added a ref and reworded a little, though I don't really have an opinion on whether it should really be there or not *shrug*

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are to blame for exploiting the systems. Anyway, the bit you wanted to delete is back already, if you still want to delete it.

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Emerson? Bah! Point taken, though. But what tends to happen is someone notices the article is missing any mention of ISIS and

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Risks include it being conjecture and an assumption regarding stock prices. Pros include being mentioned in reliable sources.

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be included in this article. Leaving it out is just more Muslim-coddling censorship and would leave the article incomplete.

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Seeking consensus on whether the section discussing the stock price of gun manufacturers should be mentioned in the article.

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Thus far, and now (so far) no known link. And yeah, the FBI never lies and is always right about everything (sarcasm).

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http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-cbs-fires-executive-for-deeply-1506969657-htmlstory.html

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There are no sign indicating that Paddock was a Muslim. ISIS is just using his bad reputation for making this massacre.

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Haven't seen whether the timing makes any sense based on Eric's comments and the father's dates of incarceration, but

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very clear that they "were made available shortly after the shooting" in the text and that those sources say where.

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not yet ruled them out.They have not yet found the reason.Hence unless they rule it out should not be under hoaxes.

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Las Vegas police clear Stephen Paddock’s ’companion’ Marilou Danley following deadliest mass shooting in US history

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Should this page include the many help hotlines and services offered by the state, city and others? For example

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does say 360 m metres ... but a cursory look at Google maps suggests the distance was far greater, surprisingly

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sentence or two were deleted, but I have restored them. They are necessary to provide context to the claim. --

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There were witneses who said there were multiple shooters. I don't know which media outlet interviewed them.--

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apparently reliable source is saying it was an automatic weapon, that citation should be used in the article.

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Distances are and will be relevant given that it's a mass shooting by high-powered weaponry, though whether

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An example of why we should enforce NOTNEWS. Reuters has said US officials are skeptical of the ISIS claim.

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It's unclear how a concealed carry would have been much use against a shooter on the 32nd floor, however.--

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It's one of the problems with incidents such as this, they get mentioned in a wide number of articles. See

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It’s too early to talk of responsibility. No representative of law enforcement has suggested any motive.

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Most of the keeps don't seem to be very heavy in substance, at least not yet. And to be fair, Omar was a

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for heavens sake. I sent that one to AfD and it was snow kept. I predict the same fate for this AfD. --

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Aaaaand I was reverted by an IP so do as y'all wish. I'll at least move it to the proper title though.

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playing with a trigger crank and drum magazine on an AR-15, showing how this configuration might work.

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Didn't ISIS at one point claim responsibility for an explosion that was part of a hoax in Louisiana?

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That's something of a peripheral nature. Might be worth mentioning in her article (if you has one). --

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Praises the guy for acting on the call, but claims no orders beyond that. "By God's grace alone."

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The number of injured in the shooting is 507, as there was a double count of 20 at one hospital.

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Indeed, let's not be silly - there are a lot of possibilities between "pistol" and "machinegun".

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Re: "She's certainly notable". Yes, I'm sure you've heard of her before today, and were one the

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Does this also apply to Trump's guess about pure evil? The existence of such a force at all is

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And it's the algorithm they used that they are being criticised for if I remember correctly.

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A lot of material seems to have mysteriously vanished between 02:04 and 02:07 on 4 October.

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should be a shield against, the regurgitation of the tiniest details reported by the media.

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Don't waste your time. This article is going to be kept – just as there is an article for

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Can we agree this be removed? This is a hot topic and should not contain dubious claims.

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For what it's worth (i.e., not much), the first rifle in that video is some kind of .308

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Read the deleted bit about the right-wing fake news. It's already been harmful to them.

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within the context of the article? According to RS, the answer is yes. Finally, try to

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Including that ISIS claimed responsibility is on the other hand very appropriate.--

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I agree, that was awkwardly done. I've reverted the two using the same language.

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One does not kill 50 people in 4.5 minutes with a pistol. Let's not be silly here.

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More likely echoes, given the large, tall, flat-sided buildings in the vicinity.

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Just FYI that this has been created. I suppose something should be done with it.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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How does having a degree mean you can magically tell the intent of investors?

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if you look in the articles) it is not clear it is relevant to the shootings.

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When Massad Ayoob talks, people listen. Another interesting find - a video of

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It was dubious when it said ISIS claimed responsibility, but now it's just

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mentioning both things. Should WP not follow suit, because of arguable "

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ISIS claims responsibility for lots of things, but there's literally no

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Don't spend time repeating all the false news about claims of terrorism!

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CBS fires executive for 'deeply unacceptable' post after Vegas shooting

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Please see the following link at 19 minutes 30 seconds to 20 minutes

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That image is not good science and is not even acceptable satire. --

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Just wanted to thank you for the contribution – these are excellent.

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It really is a shame as at one point Russia was considered a friend.

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I believe it wasn't accurate, which is why people are complaining.

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This has been called a massacre, should the article be renamed?

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Shooting !! The shooting took place at 390 yards (360 meters)

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News." I would recommend changing the article to reflect this.

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another article that says the same thing, with statements from

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it to you! You race a hard race, but OK, we'll call it even.

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That this invisible enemy of goodness had infected this

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figure/source is required at this stage is less certain.

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Sure, I'll be the whipping boy for this one I suppose.

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was created; maybe we should move the discussion there.

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