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FIFA gets the official line-up when the referee is handed it by the participating teams no later than 60 minutes before kick off. This is simply a sheet of paper with the eleven names of the players who will be starting the game. No tactical formation is included and FIFA uses previous games and/or a
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In any case the pictured line up has Kuyt as right centre, while he did indeed started playing left back in the first half (you only need to replay the match to see this. So the picture is indeed wrong as it neither fits the coaches announced line up, nor the line up that was played. Even worse, the
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Although, I've not seen it in any media, I checked the results from each tournament since the current 32 team format began in 1998. This is the first time that all the group winners beat the group runners-up. Would it be original research to put this in the article? Opinions & reasoning please!
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Oshaniwa (Nigeria) was listed as a CB in all of Nigeria's
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Cameron, Johnson, and Zusi are wrongly placed for the USA on the pitch map. Johnson should take
Cameron's Place, Zusi should take Johnson's place, and Cameron should take Zusi's place. If you look at the FIFA game report, this will become clear. Edits needed.
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This is ridiculous, every FIFA competition the wrong info is given because what is only a brief guide by the governing body is used. In the
Nederlands vs Mexico game Dirk Kuyt (and for the 2nd game running) started in the left wing back position.
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Nigeria's Oshaniwa during their 3rd game but this misinformation has been going on for the past 3 World Cup Finals. Dirk Kuyt
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