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Hardenbergstraße and barely squeezing through between a lamp post with street sign and a pedestrian light. A good view of this is the aforementioned aerial view from the Tagesspiegel-online site where even the tread markings have been marked by the police. Here you can also see the street sign at the bottom right that Kantstraße is off to the right, away from where the truck entered the market. Additionally, there is no way the semi-trailer could have made it around that sharp 90° turn if it were coming from Kantstraße. To gather enough speed, the truck must have come down Hardenbergstraße. So, please do not revert to or refer to any old faulty maps that show a Kantstraße approach. The map made by Phoenix7777 is perfect. ――
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Breitscheidplatz in that time. Circling the Breitscheidplatz would be a great detour for a truck that size and take lot of time. Finally, it can be assumed that the attacker knew pretty well what he was up to and didn’t need to circle. If a “circling” truck was seen, it must have been a different one. Unless other, more substantiated references or proof can be provided, this passage can remain deleted.
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ISIL is shown as the perpetator but Amri only pledged allegiance to it. This incident seems to be in line with other lone-wolf attacks where individuals are inspired by and pledged allegiance to ISIL or other groups but act on their own, the group claims its soldiers did so anyway. There seems to be
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It's a matter of taste, of course, the grammar is correct. But to my mind, this is terrible journalistic style of the lowest register. The use of the passive voice is already bad, the needless piling up of verbs just to express a simple point just establishes that you are doing it on purpose. Avoid
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At the moment the lead paragraph ends with this sentence: "The perpetrator is believed to be at large and expected to be armed." I can't see why it needs both verbs, or why the current version is better
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to rise to an unsuitable level of extrapolation and censorship. His argument would amount to an inability for
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He claims he wasn't running because he thought he was a suspect, in fact he never mentioned this at all and I never heard of that in German media, but he was on his way to catch his subway to get home after spending time at a park, the
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I’m removing the “Before entering the Christmas market, the truck had circled Breitscheidplatz once. ref name="spiegel1" ” statement for several reasons: First of all, this SPIEGEL ONLINE source doesn’t provide information where this claim comes from. The printed version of DER SPIEGEL from the
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The source only says he was in contact with the network of Abu Walaa and once lived with Boban S., a contact of Abu Walaa arrested alongside him. He isn't described as a member of the group in the source. Also on the sidenote, I recommend this NYT article as it offers further insight
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me the "expected" is just padding, adding no meaning, just repetition. I changed it but got reverted, so I am not up for an edit war over it; I would, though, like to know what other editors think, and if you can explain to me why you think the longer version reads better.
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or another noticeboard over that, but that's a bit over the top. That is entirely not-encyclopedic. I will revert that tabloid presentation. If the community decides that's not exempt from 3RR then I will agree, but until this I absolutely will invoke BLP as an exemption.
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Very true Martin. Please do not ask me to explain why the now-gorn sentence caused me such pain when the lead fails to offend in the same way. Ermmm ... I dunno. And the "lowest register" wasn't me. I usually make rude comparisons with Year 9 essays ... Best wishes
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a man stole a cab, stripped naked and careened through the park, frightening pedestrians who feared for their lives. They pulled him out after he crashed the car and was arrested. Unlike deadly vehicle attacks in Nice and Berlin, no pedestrians were harmed
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of Anis Amri and translate it in English? It seems very important to check the source directly before making claims in the wikipedia article. I do not consider this original research as it is just a matter of citing one's own words.
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I was looking for references of the claim that ISIS/ISIL reclaimed responsibility of the attack (which are currently very few in the main article). I found the following references, and I divided them in two groups:
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ran. That's when police saw him and stopped him, asking him why he was running and if he was the one who "commited the attack with the truck". He replied that he did not but was held in custody until the next day.
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