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Talk:2016 U.S.–Iran naval incident

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case of the chief of staff for example, no matter who the chief of staff is or who the supreme leader is, he is serving at that rank at the supreme leader's pleasure and because the supreme leader appointed him at that position, so, predictably, any chief of staff will want to impress the supreme leader. Every time a chief of staff speaks he will try try to prove how great the supreme leader was for appointing him chief of staff and what a great chief of staff he is, so that he can advance his career by remaining on his post as long as possible and perhaps even increase his chances of becoming Minister of Defence in the future. Any chief of staff's comments, regarding their enemy, are therefore, both predictable and propagandistic in nature. Quoting the current chief of staff:
2191:: This text and image were originally at the end of a very long and imbalanced Reactions section. Given the size of the section now, there won't be room for two photos in the Iranian subsection, and it doesn't belong in the American subsection. As for the text, the five sources above paint a very different picture from the original demonstrations text, since three of the five seem to dwell on embarrassment in Iranian social media that these simulations were presented, while the other two just talk about the simulations. To reflect the information in the five sources noted, which I'm assuming is a representative selection, a very different reaction sentence or two would need to be written for it to be neutral. 1277:
they will be returned very shortly. We have to mention this fact, that Kerry "threatened"(for lack of a better word) Zarif with dire consequences if they did not release soldiers. As we do not know the exact words used (He may have said "You do not go around taking Uncle Sams's soldiers hostage prepare to be nuked back to the stone age" but we do not know that) we are left with nuances such as saying made him aware what the consequences would be etc. So if you are going to remove the quotes and "tidy up, you will need to get the meaning through that Kerry basically threatened the poor guy so much that he called back within 20 minutes.
387: 1480:. This type of behaviour stretches AGF to its limits. There is no encyclopædic value in the predictable, COI, self-serving, career-advancing, pronouncements of middle-ranking Iranian military officials which make this article read like a propaganda leaflet issued by the armed forces of Iran. But it was my fault. Given my past exchanges with you on this subject I shouldn't have bothered replying. And no, you don't make this article NPOV by adding more POV from the opposing forces. In any case, that's my last comment on this article. I have a strong sense that no amount of reasonable proposals can 937:) also hints that you are wrong. So, we have no doubt that multiple phone calls were exchanged between the two minsters. I am not making any ad hom comments on your person , just saying that you are incapable of exploring the sources. The sources does not say that only Kerry made calls, but instead of removing the whole sentence you should have simply edited the sentence to express that. Yes, Kerry was worried, "he was concerned “first and foremost…with the safety and security of the people who were caught up in this incident, the American sailors.” 2646:, that "direct statement" shows nothing special as it's said "that there would be the risk of escalation and the spillover of this issue into other issues, including, no doubt, the nuclear situation," and Kerry was concerned about this according to a US senior State Department official. All in all, we really don't need to repeat it in the lead. I'd like also to add that Kerry said other things in his calls such as "if we are able to do this in the right way, we can make this into what will be a good story for both of us," and one may refer to 2331:"chronological" measn that we tell things as they happened. John Kerry called the Iranian guy and told him that he will nuke the hell out of Iran if Iran does not release the sailors. The Iranian guy was so afraid he called back 20 mins later (after an understandable bathroom break and cloth change) saying that the sailors were ok. Kerry then drove the point home with more phone calls. This should be written as it happened, the calls were not exchanged AFTER the sailors were released. Thus the chrono(time) logical order. 2490:, it is frankly up to you to—in a section labeled "Reaction" of all places—to have that bullet point reflect the five sources you gave while arguing your case, some of which had highly negative reactions to those displays. To restore the bullet without making the necessary changes first is unfortunate. I think it's your responsibility to update the bullet text accordingly, but as the whole article still retains a neutrality template, at least the reader is properly warned, in the interim, that there are NPOV issues. 1793:: Just wait, Dolabi was there inside the event! Why should we remove him? Now, what do you think about having McCain's comment? However, I agree with having a single bullet for Khamenei and that having separate bullets are not necessary. Moreover we should shorten his quotes. Finally, I fully disagree with removing "teenagers bullet plus associated picture" as it is fully related to reaction section showing reaction of Iranian people. It would also be worthy of mentioning if American had made protests. 442: 415: 371: 452: 2174:. the content under dispute is clearly not a news story, but related to the larger event being described. The question is, given the coverage this particular sub-incident has received relative to the rest of the content in the article, is it appropriate to devote a paragraph and an image to it? In my judgement, yes, it is. Others may, of course, disagree, but they would have to explain why the volume of coverage does not justify inclusion. 1730:
Even if Firouzabadi were not deemed inappropriate, there can be no reason for retaining Salami and Dolabi. Further, I don't see any reason for putting Khamenei's various statements and reactions into multiple bullets rather than in a single, streamlined section. Finally, the teenagers bullet plus associated picture have no business in the article. (Nor, for that matter, would be an American protest over the matter, if one had occurred.)
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ranting op ed 2) the boats were released after 18 hours entirely intact after a diplomatic exchange and its not disputed that they had blundered into Iranian waters (where Iran had the legal right to stop them and take them into custody), so they were "held" or similar. If they were "seized" Iran would still have them.
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I have just tagged the article with the POV template, something that should have been done a while ago, since the problems have persisted. In addition to those issues noted above, the excessive use of the "hands behind their heads" phrase (four times in the article for a single event) is another one.
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That wording in the NY Times story says were returned to the control of the US government, not to the United States. These small craft can't sail long distances, or in the open ocean. The Washington Post stated that the boats were eventually docked in Bahrain (which is the main base of the US Navy in
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I understand the argument but Centcom did not say 'Just' two SIM cards were removed, as they clearly left room open for the removal of other equipment, such as navigation equipment like GPS and RADAR devices. If you would like to use the term 'Just' to describe equipment removal, it would be accurate
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I think you did not get the point. I don't reject the POV issue, yes it has to be resolved. My major issue is with your former biased approach toward the article which has changed now after the RFC proved that you were clearly wrong. It was clearly encyclopedic! you dismissed that, why? Anyway, as I
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That you are unwilling to edit a bullet point you yourself created back on February 16 so it neutrally reflects the many sources you provided in your argument that it should be kept tells its own story. If you aren't capable of writing a balanced bullet point from the sources you yourself find, then
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between the timeline. It disturbs the order. The republicans did not talk/comment on this until AFTER the phone calls had been exchanged, thus we should mention them AFTER the exchange, plus the second sentence also throws an ambiguous light as to whether the sailors were ashore when he called first
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I think the Iran section can be greatly improved if the first three statements by the relatively lower-ranking officials Salami, Dolabi and Firouzabadi, are removed. They are propagandistic in nature and not encyclopædic. They are also quite predictable. Do we really expect army or navy officers to
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1) Basic English and common sense: if two boats full of heavily armed sailors from an unfriendly country sail into your waters that's part of how you arrest them (eg, to hold them in position after confirming you've found their guns). It's not "submission", and the source you provided for that was a
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I fully agree with what BlueMoonset said. I wasn't going to comment further since this discussion is a clear waste of time. But you keep insisting that the comments of the military are notable. This is not the case. Predictability and COI exist independently of how high the military rank is. In the
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if you do not understand even common English slang you only have to ask you know. Let me rephrase. John Kerry told Zarif what would happen if the soldiers were not released this was done in a tone so strong that withing 20 minutes Zarif was calling back saying that not only were the soldiers all ok
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You're just misinterpreting the policies! Kerry has an opinion, well! Firouzabadi has an opinion, no problem! We really don't care (and are not sure) why people make comments. I think Firouzabadi never makes comments for the pleasure of supreme leader to become a Minister, he's already the second
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Thanks for the suggestion, but we know that "changing the form" is sth and "wanting the whole issue out of article" is something else. The proper way for dealing with the original form was not to remove it totally (what you suggested!). You could simply refer to the POV issue which is acceptable.
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no. The text adds due weight to the lead showing that the US minister had the upper hand and did not just politely request or beg. therefore it should stay. Why do u want to remove it? Try not to ping people who you think will take ur side, next time you misbehave like this (I have already told u
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I did not mean that sentence at all (which could be resolved via a simple copy edit). My emphasis was on the importance of mentioning the phone calls exchanged between the two minister which you insist to remove and is backed by multiple RSs. There's another point on the "politicians" issue and I
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This is while the january 29 Fars statement were already in the article and was not removed, so "adding it back" is nonsense, just like your accusing me of "destructive editing". I just fixed the "damaged lead" while keeping the added materials by other editors. By the way, "The statement did not
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section in both versions and is after every thing else. The only difference is that I have took the details to the body of the article, what is exactly in accordance with the manual of style. Also, I think you have misunderstood the story; Non of the sentences suggests how many calls kerry made,
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gives the sense that John Kerry was worried and he hastily made many phone calls, which of course is not the case. John Kerry made one call, and the Iranians released the sailors. I am not making any ad hom comments on your person , just saying that you are incapable of understanding this.
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Much more improvements are seen after your edit. Although I've got some points; The "phone call" issue is presented in details which is not usually accepted when it come to "lead", so I think my version which was "multiple phone calls were exchanged between U.S. Secretary of State
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encyclopedia. People searching for information about the subject should be afforded every opportunity to locate such information without having to search other sources. Always: More information is better than less provided the information is backed with references and citations.
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it does make it acceptable as everyone except you now agrees with my edit. You are the one going against consensus now. For your kind information consensus does not mean that we have to make you agree with us it means that we (the other editors) have looked at the policy at
1769:: "Using too many quotes is incompatible with the encyclopedic writing style." and "Do not insert any number of quotations in a stand-alone quote section." I think the reactions section, especially the section dealing with Iran, does not conform to these rules. Also per 1454:. I think they are notable enough and we can have their viewpoints here. How about removing Kerry's viewpoint because of having COI to advance his career. However, I suggest to add the viewpoints of the other side's high-rank officials to have it balanced, if you like. 1126:
I have added more info about the phone calls. I had already mentioned the phone calls to be frank. Anyway, meh to that. Secondly what exactly is the problem with the politicians? Compare the two sentences and then show me how the meaning has changed with my wording.
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This kind of predictable, career-advancing, propaganda has no place in an article. In any case, this is my last comment on this matter. I intend not to waste any more time on this issue. I have said what I wanted to say and I don't have any illusions that
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to say that 'of the communications equipment, just two SIM cards were removed, but it would not be accurate to say 'Just' two SIM cards were removed as it implies Centcom accounted for all other categories of equipment in their inventory.
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does not put the mentioned sentence between any timelines. It's right there after the "exchange of the phone calls". Can you see that? The mentioned sentence (Some Republican presidential hopefuls...) is located at the very end of the
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has stated that he raised the issue immediately with the Iranians and "made it crystal clear how serious this was. It was imperative to get it resolved." is grammatically wrong. And John kerry's involvement has been mentioned already.
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Sorry, Mhhossein, but it is unrealistic to expect an answer for a nonsensical suggestion that Kerry's statements were "career-advancing" when his appointment as Secretary of State is as high as he will ever be in the U.S. Government.
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declare that their enemy did not get taught a lesson or that they are not cowards? These people have a COI to advance their careers by making such statements. It's quite UNDUE and POV to include this type of stuff in an encyclopædia.
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you're going to continue to run into neutrality problems on articles that you contribute to, including those (like this one) that you bring to DYK or other places. No need to ping me further; I've spent enough time on this article.
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Definitely, you edited based on "vacuum", not consensus. Those "every one" were just 2 users against me. For example, they never said why the pic of simulation had to be removed, while I believe it's absolutely relevant.
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had disrupted chronological order of the events. You should explain here what you mean exactly, or your reverts are counted as vandalism and/or disruption. I believe that my version had no such problems you alleged.
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I reverted you because you cannot understand English and are therefore incapable of understanding English sources. You are also incapable of understanding the nuances in the English of this article. The sentence
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you may believe anything you want here you must prove that it adds encyclopedic knowledge to the article, then add it. 4 users are editing the article three are against your edits tell you something doesn't it?
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Thanks for your explanation. I can admit that in a "submission position" can be removed because of being part of an Open-Ed. But if we are to act based on the sources, we should write "seized" not "held".
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So, avoid restoring this disputed content unless you've built a clear consensus here. Btw, my pinging was of course called an 'appropriate notification' and feel free to report me when ever you can. --
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we need to mention the fact that Kerry told Zarif that he will have his arse on a silver platter if these soldiers are not released. Incorporate that in your text and lets see what you come up with.
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as I said before, if you are unable to grasp simple English, feel free to ping someone who does. You can also seek a third opinion, request DRN etc. Again I would like to point out that the sentence
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Well, no. I still don't believe was appropriate in its original form. If it does get inserted again, however, it clearly can't be written as it was given the sourcing you've provided above.
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Based on the sources Kerry called within five minutes and they at least had 5 phone calls. What part of my version suggested that "calls were exchanged after the sailors were released"?
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then made five more calls or he called when he got the news and made five more calls. So to make everything clear, we should just mention his calls and then the trump shenanigans.
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Should the lead include the text that when Kerry called the Iranian he "gave him a very direct statement about what would happen" if the sailors were not released quickly, as per
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you need to prove something belongs in an article before you put it in. so basically you cannot put back the text you inserted until you explain its relevance here on the TP.
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It is not my POV, it is what has been reported. Anyway I wash my hands off of this stuff. I'll just open an RFC later on, lets have the other editors give their opinion.
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later claiming that they were not encyclopedic. Now, should the info + pic of that event be removed or do you think they are notable enough and we have to mention them?
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I did not make the page, and it has even nothing to do with editing the article. Anyway, how the sailors were released is absolutely important so we have to say about "
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On the 38th anniversary day of Islamic revolution of Iran, Iranian people reacted to the capture of 10 US sailors by simulating the scene, in some cities such as
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No problem, not all users have same viewpoints. My problem is your not respecting others' points. Anyway, there are other ways of dealing with such issues.
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click the article page, read the lead and see that the quotes from Kerry are well sourced. How can you demand sources when they have already been given?.
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weapons, ammunition and communication gear are accounted for minus two SIM cards that appear to have been removed from two handheld satellite phones."
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rather we're only talking about the number of phone calls being exchanged between them (at least five based on the sources). So, this is a fact that
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think the current status (which is your version) is misinterpretation of the source from grammatical point of view. I doubt if you really read my
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Notable enough an well sourced. There's nothing POV in covering the fact that Iran is taking every bit of the propaganda value of this incident.
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and made a decision about the article. If you want to change that decision you are the one who will have to explain your edits. As per
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Thank you FreeatlastChitchat for taking the time to improve the section. It is much more focused and encyclopedic now. Best regards.
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were exactly "returned to the United States" (did you even pay attention to that?). You've surprisingly written in your edit summary
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said, I agree that other viewpoints has to be reflected here. Of course, I'm able to reflect the sources and you are able too. --
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It is 'tough talking' but very unclear as to its meaning. I'm not even sure that the 'critics' deserve to be in the lead.
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They are properly attributed and their COI has nothing to with reflecting their viewpoint. I think this is a proposal for
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Please get real. You ping me presumably for me to give you my advice, then you attack me by throwing at me nonsense like
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the section. We have to " fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources" per
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please stop your POV editing. Everyone agrees with toning down the propaganda except you, so I am toning it down. @
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That was because I was not familiar with that impolite phrase. I had not noticed that phrase in the sources. --
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i.e. after Kerry made the first call, more calls where exchanged between them. Why did you revert me really?
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within five minutes. His call was followed by multiple other phone call exchange between the two ministers."
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account for navigation equipment" was accidentally removed, although I think it is not that important.
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It's just your POV that they "had the upper hand"! Please remove your POVs out of article and as per
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You also refrained from explaining how your lack of English made you ignore the very fact that
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kerry's call was followed by multiple other phone call exchange between the two ministers,
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is clearly POV! I would like to ask you to revert the article to the correct version.
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Where exactly was the boat picked up? Important to add that to the article.
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Your tone and behavior is not constructive and is so outrageously NPOV (
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Should the lead show what John Kerry said in order to give due weight?
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I think you will find the reactions section much more neutral now.
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RfC: Should the photo + text in the reaction section be removed?
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As it seems, only Iranian side has COI! that's funny. FYI,
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to see the situation of white house during the incident.
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The clear consensus is not to include the sentence.
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