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weeks ago, he was fired for displaying exactly these qualities. As Trump raised groundless claims of election fraud to distract from his loss at the polls, Krebs issued a clear statement . In a matter of days, he was out of a job... The SolarWinds compromise dates back to March, so it happened on watch. There’s no indication that the past few months of compromise would be any less ugly if Krebs were still in the director’s chair. But the incident response would be less ugly. Acting director Brandon Wales hasn’t been confirmed and has held his position for less than a month. In the midst of an unusually chaotic transition, he’s asking agency infosec leads to trust him through one of the most sensitive events of their working lives. It’s a difficult position under the best of circumstances, and it would be much, much easier with a trusted hand in charge. It’s all the worse because Krebs’ firing is just the latest in a long chain of similar incidents. President Trump took office actively denying the role of Russian active measures in the 2016 election, despite an unusually definitive attribution by US intelligence agencies. In the years since, he’s taken any suggestion of Russian influence as a personal incident and made denying it a kind of loyalty test.
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that Valerie Boyd, the assistant secretary for international affairs at the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees CISA, had also left. ... The following week, on the night of Tuesday, Nov. 17, Trump used his Twitter feed to fire Krebs. ... In a phone call that evening, Travis said he offered to resign as well, but Krebs urged him to continue since he was next in line to run CISA. But the White House didn’t want him to run CISA, Travis said he was told in a phone call with acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf that night. Travis said he resigned after Wolf’s efforts to intervene with the White House failed. The animus between Trump’s team and the former CISA officials didn’t end there. Trump attorney Joe diGenova on Monday called for violence against Krebs... “He should be drawn and quartered. Taken out at dawn and shot,” he said.
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same time period, installing a piece of malware dubbed "Crisco", and that's how the attackers breached SolarWinds, plus now all the government's Cisco VPNs copy their contents to Moscow...? Well, the journalists would be fine: they'd just headline their new pieces "Crisco hack" or suchlike. But if we had already renamed this Knowledge (XXG) article "Sunburst hack", then suddenly we'd have to rename it again. Fundamentally, as encyclopedia editors, we should focus on the broad event, which in this case is: a data breach (however it happened) that notably empowered the attackers and had a notable impact on privacy and security for notable institutions and the millions of people they serve, and which may lead to notable policy outcomes.
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Tuesday evening, Krebs’ deputy, Matt Travis, resigned under pressure from the White House, Travis said. (A DHS spokesperson disputed that Travis was forced to resign.) Last week, the White House also forced out Bryan S. Ware, CISA’s assistant director for cybersecurity. ... The most senior political appointee positions at CISA are currently vacant. In October, the White House said it would nominate Sean Plankey, a Department of Energy official, as CISA’s assistant director. But at press time Wednesday, Plankey remains at DOE. Neither the White House nor DOE responded to a request for comment about Plankey’s status.
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Ohio, was part of a team of CISA officials who rebuilt trust between election officials across the country and federal personnel after the 2016 election. After CISA officials repeatedly pointed out that mail-in voting is secure, and maintained a “Rumor Control” website to debunk election conspiracy theories, the White House carried out a purge of the agency’s leadership. Trump fired CISA Director Chris Krebs by tweet on Nov. 17., and Krebs’ deputy, Matt Travis, resigned shortly thereafter...
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only of the attacker's actions and ignored those of the defenders. The defenders in this case include: the companies whose products were compromised (SolarWinds, Microsoft, maybe others yet to be identified); the customers of those companies (who should, ideally, have been monitoring their networks for suspicious activity, as FireEye clearly did but most others apparently did not); and the U.S. government, of which the executive branch is where, by convention,
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time, Assistant Director for Cybersecurity at DHS Bryan Ware and Deputy Director of CISA Matt Travis were also forced out. DHS does not have a Senate-confirmed Secretary, Deputy Secretary, General Counsel, or Undersecretary for Management. Additionally, there is no White House cybersecurity coordinator, no State Dept. cybersecurity coordinator, the National Security Agency Director is leaving on a romantic vacation in Europe...
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the hack itself did occur when Krebs was running the agency, there's no question that, had he still been in that job, the response to it would have been much less of a chewy cluster of fck. Perhaps it also would have been better not to hand the presidency over to a crooked, incompetent agent of chaos for four years, too. Live and learn.
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gift cards is where every RS source fizzles out. With the mitigation long over, the search for the exploiters fell apart, and every hacker seems to hop through and use a Ukrainian, Belarus or Russian VPN service. Baring a 1989-1991 opening of the KGB valt type event in Russia, I don't think it will ever be clear for RS reporting.
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specific institutions for further exploitation. The nature and prominence of those institutions; the nature of the data stolen or tampered with; and the suspected identity of the attackers, suggests that the event was a skirmish designed to secure the attacker a medium-to-long-term advantage in what is often called the
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Including such a controversial quote needs to be carefully contextualized as a particular point of view. Simply including such a statement in the lead or in a section on scientific evaluation of Bigfoot claims is potentially misleading, non-neutral, and lacking in verifiability. The quote should only
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No, but more credible people have. Identifying state-sponsored attackers is clearly not SolarWinds's area of expertise. But it is an area of expertise for CISA, the FBI, etc, who brief the Secretary of State and the politicians on Congress's intelligence committees, etc. And these politicians are the
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Trump has decimated the cybersecurity arm of the federal government and failed to nominate confirmable leaders of Homeland Security. Last month, Trump fired the Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, Christopher Krebs, for refusing to undermine the election. Around the same
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At the time of the attack, the U.S. did not have a Senate-confirmed permanent appointee in the role of Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (the nation's top cybersecurity official). The previous appointee, Christopher Krebs, had been fired on 18 November 2020 by President
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Journalistic writing is about transient breaking news, so journalists can come up with a new title to suit whatever people are calling an incident that day. But we aren't journalists. Suppose tomorrow we learn that, for instance, Cisco also suffered a supply chain attack from the same suspects in the
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No disrespect, but I am still not in favor of any POV quotes. These quotes seem obviously POV to me. The original quote uses "blindsided again", "what's worse". The Slate quote uses "wailing". Esquire uses "lies" and "fantasies". This language is simply too emotionally charged for a technical article
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CISA agency at Homeland Security is the group that Christopher Krebs successfully led through the 2020 elections until the president fired him because Krebs declined to devote his time to substantiating the president's lies and fantasies. Perhaps it would have been better not to have done that. While
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Let me make my point another way. I do not think an article about hacking should be so political. Do readers really want to come to an article about hacking, which is computer science/technical, and read a bunch of subtle rebukes of Donald Trump? The Russians are the ones responsible for this hack...
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Based on the text in the article, which does not present conclusions about the involvement of Russia, would it be sensible to change the first sentence to: "In 2020, a major cyberattack suspected to have been committed by a group backed by the Russian government penetrated thousands of organizations
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Trump pointing to China characterized as spurious in Knowledge (XXG) voice. This isn't supported by the citations, which merely state that US experts they *believe* Russia to be responsible. Also, what does the "without evidence" in "U.S. president Donald Trump publicly addressed the attacks for the
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Didn't see this before. I thought that the cyberattack vs. cyber-espionage debate (Goldsmith, etc.) was really important, but that the sources were not well summarized (the authors weren't even mentioned before, only the publications—which is weird since this was all commentary/opinion pieces). So I
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preference would be to finish the work you have started, as you suggest. But I literally cannot spare the time just now. There is some other (unrelated) editing I need to finish so that I can clear some browser tabs; and I have much off-wiki business, besides, in the next 48 hours (and indeed, until
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is also part of the context. In a successful attack (cyber, military, sports, whatever), the responsibility for that success comes down partly to the attacker's strategy and execution, and partly to the defender's strategy and execution. We would be failing in our duty to be encyclopedic if we wrote
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After reading a number of pieces about the JetBrains product TeamCity being investigated (including by the FBI) as a possible vector in the breaches, I don't think the matter warrants inclusion in the article yet. It isn't notable that TeamCity is being investigated. But if in the future a credible
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My primary concern about doing as you suggested above (and as you have now done) is that parts of the content could easily become incomprehensible, as many of the responses presented there were made at least partly in reply to earlier ones, or at least are introduced in the context of earlier ones.
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the POTUS, he does have access to the topmost intelligence, he has the loudest bullhorn on Earth, and he is making an assertion that is entirely consistent with his previous insistence of absolving Russia for everything and deflecting blame to his personal adversaries, and this is leadworthy due to
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Nov. 11, White House officials notified CISA that they would be asking for the resignation of Bryan Ware, who worked on election security as the assistant director of cybersecurity at CISA and whose resignation ultimately took effect two days later, according to Travis. At the same time, news broke
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that support the essential operations of partner departments and agencies. We coordinate security and resilience efforts using trusted partnerships across the private and public sectors, and deliver technical assistance and assessments to federal stakeholders as well as to infrastructure owners and
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If another editor weighs in here in this section and disagrees with me, I'd be fine with you adding it back in. But I don't think my view will change on this. I arrived at a technical article, I gave it a read, and I'm seeing all these unexpected digs at Trump in what should be a technical article.
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The quote also speaks to the relationship between the hack and the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Readers will already know from earlier in the article that based on Trump's conspiracy theory about the election, Trump had recently fired the person responsible for U.S. government network security.
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Analysts said it was hard to know which was worse: that the federal government was blindsided again by Russian intelligence agencies, or that when it was evident what was happening, White House officials said nothing. But this much is clear: While President Trump was complaining about the hack that
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Between the two horns of this dilemma, I'm going have to choose to revert, in the hope that you or I (or someone else) will take another go at it on a day when they have enough time to see it through properly. I really hope you will be understanding of this. You had the right idea and made a great
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CISA hasn’t had much time to work — but under Krebs, the agency was gaining trust. The director had bipartisan support and was seen by the cybersecurity community as an impartial arbiter, someone who would be honest about the facts on the ground even if it was politically inconvenient. Then, a few
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The quote hardly belabors its points. It is succinct - two sentences - and addresses questions likely to be in the reader's mind. The hack was arguably a political act against political targets, so it is understandable that responses and coverage will also be "political". But the quote does not go
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I don't know we can conclude Russia or China or US False Flag or disgruntled employee plus at this point, the open sources investigation has fizzled out per SolarWinds corporate communications. The open source reporting of how much a dead end Russian VPN servers paid for by untraceable cash to
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It's awkward because I admire the start you made. I broadly agree with the subsections you chose to create, and I think you have convincingly made the case for subdividing the section. I also think that in your edits, you moved each sentence from the old section into the same new subsections as I
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CISA is now led on an acting basis by Brandon Wales... How long Wales will lead the agency remains unclear. The dismantling of CISA’s leadership has employees on edge. And CISA’s continued work to debunk fraud claims could draw additional White House scrutiny. After Trump fired Krebs via tweet on
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Bryan S. Ware, who took the reins as the senior most Department of Homeland Security official focused exclusively on cybersecurity in January, is stepping down from his post and heading to the private sector. made a point of getting better data, with the help of software tools, into the hands of
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Put differently, this article isn't about hacking in general, or hacking as a pure technical skill. It's about a specific cyberattack and the resulting data breach. The victims of the attack don't seem to have been chosen at random. Even among the users of Orion, the attackers apparently targeted
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Swisscom bestätigt uns auf Anfrage, dass man Kunde von Solarwinds sei. Die kompromittierte Softwarekomponente von Solarwinds überwache eine Virtualisierungs-Infrastruktur, auf der Microsoft-Produkte für Geschäftskunden laufen. Der Hersteller habe zwei Hotfixes zur Verfügung gestellt und man habe
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Matt Masterson... is leaving his post as of next week... Masterson has been a senior adviser at the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency since 2018. ... Masterson said his last day at CISA will be Dec. 18. ... Masterson, a former election official in
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Re: a link between Trump's election interference, and this data breach, I don't see a logical fallacy. I see a basic claim ("Trump has sounded the alarm about a fictitious threat, while staying silent about a real threat"), and a more sophisticated claim ("Had Trump not been so busy sounding the
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Trump fired a couple of people out of thousands of people that work for CISA. Unless, you find a source that says CISA was overwhelmed because of Trump's actions, I think the most you can say is something like: "The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) helped to compensate an overwhelmed
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Without that knowledge, it will be hard for the reader to make an informed interpretation of the nature and timing of the responses, or the degree of opportunism displayed by the attackers. And since we cannot assume that knowledge on the part of the reader, it needs to be mentioned (concisely;
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Here's some more sentences that try to malign Trump. Again, I am anti Trump, but logically this just seems really weak. The attacks started in March 2020, well before Trump's lame duck period, and well before he unfairly fired Krebs. I personally think the inclusion of these sentences creates
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Will, say, a non-US student, reading this article five years hence, know that in December 2020, there was a lame-duck president in office; or that CISA only had an acting director at the time (or that the White House cybersecurity co-ordinator had been fired a couple of years earlier and not
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This is the "Responses" section. If a foreign power hacks a nation's treasury, defense department, health agencies (and more!), then readers would expect to see a response from the head of state (and perhaps also from the treasury secretary, defense secretary, health secretary, etc). In an
4157:"In March 2020, a major cyberattack by a group backed by a foreign government penetrated multiple parts of United States federal government, via software released from three U.S. firms: Microsoft, SolarWinds, and VMware, leading to data breaches, and the breach discovered December 2020." 4332:
Thanks, but Shafirov had already repeatedly denied that TeamCity/Jetbrains was an attack vector (except possibly via misconfiguration). That he has repeated those denials through Forbes changes nothing, at least in relation to whether or not to mention TeamCity/Jetbrains in the article.
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In recent weeks CISA's director, and assistant director have stepped down or been fired by president Donald Trump, and other high-ranking DHS cybersecurity officials have been pushed out as well. The exodus comes at an inopportune time, as CISA helps coordinate a defensive push across
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All that said, with the edits made to the article since this TP thread began, the quote in the lede has since been contextualized much better, and I am content to accept its continued inclusion as long as it stays that way. I think you and I may have found consensus :-) Thanks again,
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Would you be willing either to continue editing until the sense of each response has been restored, or else just to revert that section to how it used to be? I appreciate that you put some effort into the reorganization just now and you might be loath to do either; but I'm afraid it
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indicated to FERC this week that CISA was overwhelmed and might not be able to allocate the necessary resources to respond. Several top officials from CISA, including its former director Christopher Krebs, have either been pushed out by the Trump administration or resigned in recent
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The "responses" section is getting a little large, and has no sub-sections. My instinct is that grouping by date is no longer the best way to organize this section. I would suggest instead grouping by topic. If you agree, I'd be happy to take a stab at re-organizing this. Thanks.
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All that said, with the edits made to the article since this TP thread began, the quote in the lede has since been contextualized much better, and I am content to accept its continued inclusion as long as it stays that way. I think you and I may have found consensus :-) Thanks,
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CISA." Again, this is based on my understanding of the original research guidance. I'm sure my understanding could be wrong, which is why I was seeking a second opinion on original research. Specifically, I'm wondering about the limitations of synthesis of published material,
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this incident being perhaps the most significant hack to date that reportedly might have penetrated highly sensitive federal government networks, and thus the full extent of the damage might never be fully disclosed, so we are left with what the commander in chief tells us.
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for "data breach solarwinds" turns up various article names that use a variation of this title: "SolarWinds hack", "SolarWinds breach", "SolarWinds supply chain attack", "SolarWinds compromise", etc. I don't feel strongly about this though, I'm happy to hear other opinions.
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Hence the awkwardness. You force me to choose between leaving it in a confused state (which, as I say, I can't do in good conscience); or reverting, which you say I am free to do, but is still a pain on my conscience because of the effort you put in and the good start you
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Also, quick side point... Is it even clear that CISA is in charge of protecting the executive branch's networks from foreign intrusions? Even this article mentions that FireEye/SolarWinds worked with NSA, not CISA. As far as I know, Trump didn't do any shake ups at NSA.
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If it were a different president, and a different context ("The attack was discovered six months after President Zarniwoop took office, bringing with him what CNN called 'the most impressive cybersecurity team in America's history...") then it would still be worthy of
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This article seems very US-focused. But Solarwinds Orion is used all over the world. Wouldn't it make sense to have one article about the Sunburst trojan in itself, and then follow up with the impact in different parts of the world, possible on separate subarticles?
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But I would have created a context for comprehensibility within each subsection, including specifying the dates on which each of the responses occurred. Without that, and with obvious concerns like Bossert/Smith lingering, I can't in good conscience leave it as it
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Swisscom confirmed on request that they are Solarwinds customer. The compromised software component is used for supervising virtalization infrastructure, where Microsoft products for business customers are running. Two hotfixes by the vendor have been installed.
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The sophisticated claim is a conclusion resting on both the basic claim and some unstated but plausible premises like "Government resources are finite". So, not a full-fledged sound argument; but quite possibly a true conclusion anyway. Certainly not a logical
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I think the claim was a reasonable summary of the points made in the cited sources, and I note that you yourself felt that it might be allowable. But I note your point about "thousands of people", and have applied your suggestion. Thank you for offering it,
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Unabhängig davon habe Swisscom die Überwachung erweitert. "Unsere Sicherheitsexperten analysieren die betroffenen Systeme und haben keine Indizien für einen Missbrauch gefunden. Die Analysen werden weitergeführt", so Swisscom-Mediensprecher Armin Schädeli.
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The shortest (and least gruesome!) of these is "parts", so that's what I chose. I'm open to better suggestions, but one of the conditions of "better" would be that the word not risk the forms of confusion mentioned above that I have already taken pains to
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Bossert, OTOH, was not necessarily part of that debate (and to the extent he approached it, his position was close Smith's). But your edit made him appear to be part of it, and made it seem Smith was opposed to his views. Doubly confusing/wrong, in other
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Unsere Sicherheitsexperten analysieren die betroffenen Systeme und haben bislang keine Indizien für einen tatsächlichen Missbrauch gefunden. Wenn wir Indizien haben, dass ein Missbrauch stattgefunden hat, werden wir die Kunden individuell informieren.
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be included if it can be contextualized in a verifiable and neutral sense as a point of view of the Bigfoot Field Researchers Association and not necessarily a factual statement. The consensus of editors may even be to not include the quote at all.
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I realize that you only created those implications accidentally, but the point is, they were misimplications about a pretty serious topic: has Russia declared (cyber)war on the US? Thanks for being accepting that I needed to correct this,
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that China — not Russia — may be behind the cyber espionage operation against the United States and tried to minimize its impact. claimed the media are “petrified” of “discussing the possibility that it may be China (it may!).” There is
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President Donald Trump was initially silent about the attack; on December 19, 2020, in his first public statement on the topic, he spuriously suggested that China, not Russia, might have been responsible, saying "everything is well under
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If the situation does change (e.g. if non-US governments are also found to have suffered data breaches), then yes, the article should be updated to reflect that. However, the Sunburst trojan should still not necessarily be the focus; see
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When writing the article originally, some days ago now, I, too, considered using the word "agencies". But in the end I rejected it. Here's why. Ultimately, "agencies" would risk confusion, because in the U.S. government context it is an
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I appreciate that you have suggested two options ("advanced persistent threat"; vs saying who blames whom). But you haven't said why you think those are the only two alternatives, nor why you think either of them would be better than my
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At the moment, the only institutions publicly confirmed to have been breached are US ones. Also, the data exfiltration concerns so far published are focused on US federal departments. Until that changes, the article is appropriate as it
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But to fill the logical void, the second paragraph should probably start with "When the attack was reported..." or "At the time of the discovery of the attack..." to reflect the period starting 8 December and not somewhere around March.
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I hope that in the light of the above, you can agree at least that this is an angle that bears mentioning. And that you can also see that I chose the most succinct and uncontroversial summary of that angle that I could find among
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If you think we should have a block quote, perhaps we can find a more neutral quote? Although I personally think the section reads fine without it. The rest of the section is nice and factual, which is the perfect tone for an
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So, I don't think we can escape mentioning that context. And I hope you can see that it's not about taking sides or pointing fingers. It's just about succinctly summarizing the relevant facts, whatever they happen to be.
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Independently from that Swisscom has extended monitoring. "Our security experts are analyzing the affected systems and have not discovered evidence for abuse. The analysis are ongoing", says Swisscom spokesperson Armin
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a national embarrassment, whichever side of the aisle you sit on; it is not "overly political" to suggest this. This point about embarrassment is an important point for the article to convey. The quote makes that point
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I think that the proper weight for this kind of thing is either to not include it, or to include it with paraphrase and attribution. "The New York Times was critical of Trump for not issuing a statement on the data
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Take a look and see if you like it. The benefits of the new organization are 1) plenty of sub-sections, 2) easy to see if a section is getting too big, and 3) each paragraph is clearer and less of a mix of topics.
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I made it "At the time of the attack becoming public, the U.S. did not have a Senate-confirmed..." Feel free to improve the grammar/vocabulary but I think this solves the irregular representation of chronology.
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CISA meanwhile, whose top official, Christopher Krebs, was fired for calling the 2020 U.S. Presidential election secure, told FERC that it was overwhelmed and lacked the resources to properly respond, sources
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The basic claim is undeniably supported by the evidence. Logically speaking, it is a pair of simple premises (or, if you prefer, a single conjunctive premise) with the truth value "true". No fallacy there.
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significantly expanded it and placed this debate in its own subsection. I think we pretty clearly need a topic organization rather than a strictly chronological one, which is not at all reader-friendly.
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wasn't — the supposed manipulation of votes in an election he had clearly and fairly lost — he was silent on the fact that Russians were hacking the building next door to him: the United States Treasury.
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Hello. Someone deleted Swisscom, probably because sources were not appropriate or understood (German language). Potential sources that Swisscom is infected, but no particular damage has been announced:
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first time, suggesting without evidence that China" mean? I didn't see evidence offered for the culpability of Russia either by US investigators. These are all appeals to authority, why flag one?
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Our security experts analyze the affected systems and have so far not found any evidence of actual abuse. If we have evidence that abuse has taken place, we will inform the customers individually.
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That is a general statement clearly intended by its author to help their readers place the event in context. It is not an attribution of responsibility, or a suspect list, for this specific event.
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Initially, the attack was thought to just affect the U.S. Treasury and the U.S. DoC. So, the article's initial title was "2020 United States Treasury and Department of Commerce data breach".
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Not sure why you're focused on the executive branch's networks, though, given that it is not one of the branches (Pentagon, State, DoC, DHS, Treasury) so far confirmed to have been breached.
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The summary data about victims - like in the example you cited - is just far too minimal and vague at this point to build an article around. Knowledge (XXG) needs at least one
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job than I would have managed!). Anyhow, this second attempt does, in my eyes, constitute an overall improvement for the section, so thank you both again for doing that work!
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nothing-makes-me-worry-more-about-the-solarwinds-hack-than-trump-now-saying-it-e2-80-99s-e2-80-98under-control-e2-80-99/ar-BB1c4ep0
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and other widespread security compromises, although the company said they had not been contacted, and had not "taken part or been involved in this attack in any way".
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U.S. federal bodies with "Agency" in the name (CIA, DIA, NSA, ...) irrespective of whether they are "independent agencies of the United States government" (see above);
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Something like "2020 global network breach" is too vague. Maybe at some point it will be discovered that other notable international network breaches occurred in 2020.
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had second-stage malware deployed on some part of its infrastructure in relation to this episode (indicating that it was deliberately exploited by the attackers); or
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The political reaction won't make sense in an article called "Sunburst hack". Most congresspeople don't care a hoot about Sunburst and aren't very interested in
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ever publishes the list. So, we need to focus on notable incidents. (I'm not saying the Swisscom reports aren't notable, btw. I'm making a general point here.)
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tells us anything, it's that each factor matters. So we can't just cherry-pick, and exclude the factor of Trump's cybersecurity decisions. Especially not when
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to suggest that is the case. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said late Friday that Russia was “pretty clearly” behind the operation against the United States.
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It's not balanced, because other companies' products/vulnerabilities were, and other malware was, also involved. (We'd be unfairly singling out SolarWinds.)
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case, such as this one, in which those officials are all inexplicably silent on the matter, Knowledge (XXG) must note that somehow. The quote achieves this.
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we should also put in the lede a variant on the Russian claim, kind of a disclaimer that "possibly it is wrong to groundlessly blame Russians right away."
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Also, is there any evidence that firing CISA's executive and quickly replacing him was somehow disruptive to the networks, or decreased cyber security?
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So, I say let's hold our nerve and focus on the long-term encyclopedic nature of the article. But thanks for chipping in, and also for the good links!
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CISA analysts for tracking hacking campaigns. ... Ware declined to comment on whether he was asked to leave his position by the Trump administration.
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For all of Trump's wailing about fictitious hacks that stole the election, he has been otherwise notably uncurious about the nation's cybersecurity.
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of the state and federal breach (which records were stolen or tampered; how many people and projects were affected; how much will it cost to fix),
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Because this is the responses section, readers are also likely to want to know how selected experts in the field reacted - at least as reported by
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Not easy trying to summarise all that background into a sentence or so. If you have a better wording in mind, I'd be glad to consider it! Thanks,
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that connection explicitly. What do other editors think: should we keep that material or not? Is the connection obvious enough to do so? Thanks,
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I hope that you will be at least somewhat swayed by these arguments, and will reconsider the deletion. I would be grateful for your thoughts,
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I agree with your proposal to remove the quote from the lead. And let me just say: "THANK YOU" for all your very good work on this article.
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the colloquial sense in which I think you are using the term, which is equivalent to one of the senses of the words "parts" or "bodies".
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entirely consistent with his previous insistence of absolving Russia for everything and deflecting blame to his personal adversaries...
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view. (Even if it comes from the President, it's still fringe.) So, I think from a policy perspective that isn't really viable either.
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With that understood, do you now think my proposal to remove the sentence from the lede is fair? If not, please could you explain why?
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A recent article supports Trump's statement of Chinese involvement in the cybersecurity breach during the main events in question.
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For one, he's the boss. It would be sad if we couldn't blame the boss. Secondly, is there an argument in his favor? Does even one
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claimed, through a confidential source, that JetBrains may have had malware embedded in their software that may have led to the
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Why? Because ~18000 SolarWinds customers downloaded the trojaned updates, and we certainly won't include all of them (even if a
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about the scope of the article, and the responsibility for events, in a different thread. But let me pick up on your statement,
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too far. It does not, for example, bring party politics into the matter. So, it is not "overly political" on this front, either.
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disrespectful to the care I took initially when creating the section!). I hope you understand and won't be offended. Thanks,
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If "agencies" and "departments" are out, what does that leave us? "Organs", "bodies", and "parts" were all I could think of.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Since we don't have an article for the Sunburst backdoor, there'd be no need for disambiguation. A descriptive title like
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We could more accurately say it's not finally attributed, with identified experts saying "maybe an outside nation-state"
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about both of them. Here is how the quote stands after some clarity clean-up, but it still unavoidably retains those two
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only 18 percent of the 40 victims identified by Microsoft were government agencies, and 20 percent were outside the US.
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In other words, the attack was deeply political. And in this particular skirmish, the U.S. and its allies lost, big-time.
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mention a topic as relevant background to the breach, then we have grounds to include it. Otherwise, probably not. In
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for taking a second run at the task. It isn't quite as I would have done it (and in some ways I think you have done a
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Trump, in his first public comments on the issue, appeared to undercut Pompeo's remarks in a pair of tweets Saturday,
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David E. Sanger, Nicole Perlroth, Eric Schmitt, Scope of Russian Hack Becomes Clear: Multiple U.S. Agencies Were Hit,
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Another update : interview given to Forbes by Shafirov. They had not been contacted by any US agency as of 7th Jan.
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sources that I cited are saying either) that this is all Trump's fault. There are other factors at play. But if the
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section. With any luck, you'll feel I have done an acceptable job of it. If not, do please follow up here. Thanks,
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We're an encyclopedia, not a propaganda mouthpiece. If we really want to introduce selected US government-linked
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Thanks, but I still think it is problematic on several fronts to name the article after SolarWinds or Sunburst:
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Thanks. I hope to read those pieces in the next few hours and will mention them in the article if appropriate.
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problems, and I would be in favor of deleting them. However, I am happy to hear the opinion of other editors. –
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Delete overly political blockquote that talks about trump election interference. Not relevant to this article.
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I think "2020 SolarWinds breach" is a pretty good title. That would include the non-US government victims. A
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your good intentions. But the other thread already addressed your concern.
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CISA builds the national capacity to defend against cyber attacks and works with the federal government to
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It looks like you created the article and wrote large parts of it. Thank you for your time and hard work. –
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In both articles linked to in the foot notes, only SolarWinds is mentioned – not VMWare, not Microsoft.
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Please can you reconsider whether a middle ground, as I've suggested, might be the better option? Thanks,
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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So, I suggest we remove the Trump quote (and the sentence containing/paraphrasing it) from the lede as
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will be the right title. But let's wait until more trustworthy sources confirm, before we change it.
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So, would you now be willing for me to restore the quote? Thanks again for your time and interest.
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adds all sorts of nuance, which leaves me slightly unsure. A second opinion would be appreciated.
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need to be changed if other attack vectors are discovered in future - as has been predicted (see
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each topic's subsection, and direct the reader to other relevant subsections where appropriate.)
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For now, I think the title should be left alone: it fits the facts well enough. If it turns out
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to me to try to link these two barely related or possibly completely unrelated things together.
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Either way, I'm coming around to your "idea #2", to paraphrase the quote. That approach seems
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And we also already have a whole section to deal with perpetrator attribution in more depth:
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in the lede, articulating some of the points you raise above, would help to clarify things?
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FireEye, you mean? Anyway, no, I haven't seen any confirmation of the reason for the name
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Thanks. Do please post back here on the talk page if you notice this getting picked up by
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This article is about a multifaceted topic. All the important facets need to be addressed.
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the article to its current title: "2020 United States federal government data breach".
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Find editors who have shown interest in this subject and ask them to take a look here.
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You say that the quote is not relevant. But it is relevant, on at least these counts:
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as you suggest, and will try to find time to review it if you do. Thanks again,
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ones who, after being briefed, attributed the attack to Russia with confidence.
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aspects of the article. So, your first option is a non-starter, I'm afraid.
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the state and federal breach occurred. They care much more about the
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parts of the federal government will turn out to have been affected.
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In my opinion, the "executive branch" includes all the departments.
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The article title will have to change as more info is released.--
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who blames which (foreign) nation without providing any evidence
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SolarWinds has not verified the identity of the attacker.
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Most of which has nothing to do with Sunburst. 302:Identify categories related to Computer Security 4643:C-Class software articles of Unknown-importance 4618:Unknown-importance Computer networking articles 3133: 3004:it has the hallmarks of a Russian hacking (...) 2991: 2813: 2785: 2769: 2711:, "almost certainly the work of a state actor" 2630: 2225: 2209: 2193: 2177: 2161: 2158:Other recent context (not cited, but relevant): 2150: 2139: 2102: 2094: 1987:https://github.com/RedDrip7/SunBurst_DGA_Decode 1905:encyclopedically) in the article as background. 1654: 1205: 986: 971: 958: 592: 4658:Unknown-importance Computer hardware articles 2672:prominence either in the lede or by having a 1771: 8: 4492:China allegation characterized as "spurious" 3882:, yes, I see you didn't wait for an answer! 3760:I propose the following inclusion criteria: 1118:. Looks great. Great job on this article. – 934:Now, I'm not saying (and I don't think the 4556: 4498: 4240: 4161: 3708:should not be removed from articles, so I 3669: 2577:to say about non-US victims of this event. 2546: 2497: 1322:"What We Know About the SolarWinds Breach" 436: 336: 308:Identify articles for creation (see also: 238: 47: 4673:Low-importance Computer Security articles 4557:Addition of 'suspected' in first sentence 3177:Colvin, Jill; Lee, Matthew (2020-12-19). 2912:by deliberately avoiding summarizing non- 2652:Russia (not China) is likely responsible. 1468:, because it's to the point and it's the 531:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject United States 290:. 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