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4433:-- we should not remove all discussion of "minor, potential, or 'declined' candidates" from the article. At this stage, much of what there is to say about the election revolves around potential candidates -- and while I don't claim to know who the Democratic presidential nominee will be, I think there is a good chance that they are probably listed in the "publicly expressed interest", "potential candidates", or maybe even "declined candidates" section right now. I would, however, like to propose a suggestion for narrowing down the minor declared candidates. Currently, to be listed, a person must only (a) have declared their candidacy and (b) be notable enough to already have a Knowledge (XXG) article. I would like to suggest a third requirement -- the person (c) must have a website specifically for their presidential campaign. That would apparently take out Jack Fellure, Jonathon Sharkey, Brad Thor, Harry Braun, Rocky De La Fuente, Geoffrey Feiger, Zoltan Istvan, Vermin Supreme, Lawrence Jackson, Dan Rattiner, and Kanye West. I mean, Kanye West is definitely notable, but despite his past claims, he hasn't shown himself to be definitely running for president in 2020. If someone is serious enough to run for president, they ought to be serious enough to have a campaign website. -- 292:- As I said, a poll is a poll is a poll. I think it was actually quite interesting how they polled her against President Trump twice, once using her real name (Stephanie Clifford), and once with her significantly more well known stage name (Stormy Daniels). The large discrepancy (42-41-17 for Clifford|32-41-27 for Daniels) shows that the electorate would narrowly elect some generic Democrat they've never heard of named Stephanie Clifford over the incumbent President, however they would not actually vote in the porn star Stormy Daniels, even if she were the Democratic nominee. Really, it does come down to whether or not it's satirical, and we have a track record of bending the rules of the article in order to remove satirical candidates (Stephen Colbert and Vicente Fox, namely). I feel this could also eventually apply to Kanye West, as well. So in conclusion, while the neutralist in me wants to keep her (as well as Colbert and Fox) for the sake of adhering to the pre-established rules and the consensus on the article, I don't think we'd be losing much by removing her (let's keep her polls in the polling section, regardless). 4916:
to make a general comment for women to run for office. She could certainly run for Congress, for Senate, or, just like like any other natural-born citizen of this country, for president, and she could do it in the upcoming election, but I see no reason this scant one-off nothingness must be mentioned here as something serious or predictive. I appreciate your contributions to Knowledge (XXG), but I liked the section you just deleted from here, "Proposal: Delete the damn article at this point." Sure I could be in the minority here, but it's historically a lot easier to add speculation to election articles than to remove it or keep it from popping up on the large number of them (and separate, semiduplicative articles on the primaries!), so I don't want to take previous years' articles as hard precedent. I feel too many people have the idea that "It has a reliable source! It's connected to something/someone notable! You can't remove that from anywhere, ever!"
2481: 4195:'running' in some form or another." In addition, I feel that the website thing shouldn't be mentioned in the article proper, only hidden before each section (Like where it used to say "Only add people with two or more speculative sources, no kitchen sink lists, blah blah blah"). Honestly it feels kinda arbitrary and unprofessional to have the introduction to each section say "Here are the guys running for President that have publicly announced their candidacy and also have a campaign website," then go "Here's the ones that don't." Now that we've actually implemented this rule, we may as well go all or nothing here, we're currently standing with one foot in and one foot out the door. Removing that awkward middle segment would make it nice and consistent to have photos of the declared and interested candidates. And I also believe that it's more appropriate to show a photo of the presumed frontrunner 659:
disclosure, I am a Democrat, but it almost seems like the purpose of the paragraph is to elevate division, distract from the discussion at hand, disqualifying potential candidate's abilities, and other major distractions. I think the Democrats are over the Perez-Ellison rift (I think) and it wasn't very big to begin with. I don't see how impeachment is relevant here, especially in the context of House races. Perhaps some of this information could be shifted over to article(s) on House races. Note I am not asking anyone to add this, but nothing is mentioned about momentum an opposition party often has when not in power. We have seen that in the past with the Tea Party and now with the so-called "blue wave." Granted you could take what I say with a grain of salt, but I feel like some of this might have been written to dwell on certain House races other than the 2020 Presidential election.
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some kind of "Minor 2020 candidates" article for people like Boss and Fellure, who are indeed mildly notable people running in 2020, but haven't received any media coverage. That's a good compromise, I think. Overall, I don't really think it's that much of a big deal yet. There's only 9 non-major candidates that've declared so far from both parties. 4 of them (Thor, Fieger, Wells, and Yang), have received press coverage. The other 5 (Fellure, Sharkey*, Boss, Braun, and De La Fuente) have not (Although I did find mention of Sharkey in the NY Daily News after West had first announced at the VMAs in 2015, they didn't outright mention 2020, just that he's also a strange politician seeking the presidency in a future election).
4450:- I'm very much in favor of having rules to keep track of everything, we're Knowledge (XXG), we need to be impartial. There are literally hundreds of people that've filed with the FEC, but we only include individuals that are notable enough to already have their own biographical Knowledge (XXG) article. I've proposed that we could move the "minor" candidates to their own subarticle if it really bothers people, but nobody ever follows up with that. This article is very similar to other American future election articles, with a "speculative" and "declined" sections, just look at any U.S. Senate or gubernatorial election page for 2018. Who the media is anticipating will run is notable (for example, how 4980:
and dozens of names to be thrown about, and it's just not relevant at this point; at any level of elections, we should just cover who runs, not who could run and who didn't run ā€“ at least not without prose explaining their importance. I had to nominate the 2024 presidential election article for deletion in January 2016! I haven't examined the Booker and Hickenlooper sources but they at least have had substantial coverage in preparing for a run or considered as strong likely candidates, unlike Richards. As we've all been discussing with even the declared candidates, there is discretion to be had. Anyway, back to work, you all know my opinion for anything else on the article...
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of Trump as a candidate than a reflection on his own chances in a serious campaign. He also says "I'm only saying that because people don't really have a sense of who's going to come up. I mean, somebody great's going to come up I hope," directly indicating that he's not serious about the concept. The thing he says that may have most contributed to his name being added to the list was "the only reason I say that is because I'd love to run for that kind of position," where I think "position" is more likely referring to public office in general than the presidency in particular. I can't find anything else he's said that would indicate that this was an expression of interest.
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sink articles, why allow kitchen sink polls, which have even less than the one paragraph articles may have? If we require two media sources, why not require at least two polls? This article is far too permissive and loses usefulness and credibility when it includes so many people. With respect to criteria for declined candidates, I still fail to understand why it should be included at all, especially once the primaries get going - If they aren't running, they obviously declined to run! Anyway, there should still be at least the same criteria of two articles implying they might actually run, not just one guy suggesting they'd be a good candidate.
2118: 2004: 1226: 4242:, but he doesn't mention specifically that he is running for President in 2020 there. He does have a section for "Governor Run" and a section for "2016 US Presidential Run", but nothing for "2020 US Presidential Run", which I think says something about his priorities. If he doesn't feel like putting up a web page for his 2020 presidential candidacy, that's his decision -- but in that case, I don't feel like giving him the same level of recognition on Knowledge (XXG) as other candidates who have taken the bare minimal step of putting up campaign websites. -- 1621:
pollster: that's what brought us Gowdy and Powell. This is why I suggest to require at least 3 national polls (my suggestion of 5 above is a bit excessive, or perhaps we could accept 2 polls from different pollsters), or one poll where the candidate polls above 5%. I don't like speculation-based listings because they have no basis in fact. I could accept them if there is a strong filter on source quality, but that's hard to define. What do you think of my proposed criteria for "potential" and "declined" candidates? ā€”
1676:). I see how it's a bit hypocritical to require 2 speculative articles but only 1 national poll (setting aside the fact that writing a speculative article is much easier and faster than organizing a national poll). It just seems like a solution without very much of a problem? I haven't checked each individual instance of it happening, but it appears to only really apply to Gowdy and Powell (both of which I've seen crop up in "kitchen sink" articles and informal chats regarding the race (like 1258:
newspaper articles where sports reporters are writing "Ex-NFLer makes White House bid" or anything like that, as one might expect. There are at least three possibilities as to how a Lawrence Christopher Jackson could have filed with the FEC if it wasn't the football player: (1) the candidate coincidentally shares the same name as the athlete; (2) the candidate is using a pseudonym (as did some of the Form 1 filers for the 2016 election), or (3) the Form 1 was submitted as a hoax. --
4285:(in the case of minor candidates). Opposing this position were editors who felt the RfC was overly broad and would extend extraordinary and unchecked authority to undo prior consensus of more limited scope. (Two other arguments were presented which were less compelling. On the "pro" side was the argument that the current article is a "mess" or "horrible" while, on the "con" side was the notion that a change here would require all similar articles on this topic to also be amended 2453: 4117:
consensus to remove pictures of declared candidates with no web site, I was reverted, and I took the extra step of removing galleries of people who only "expressed interest". Finally, I kept the galleries for "interested" candidates for the Republican and Democratic parties, because there is actually a nomination process in the major parties, and they have more credibility than potential non-party candidates. Further opinions on this topic welcome. ā€”
31: 4414:- no to unlimited authority to ignore prior consensus and do massive unspecified changes. Limit it to the specific names listed above and then I think it might be OK -- or state some specific principle for content, or say delete all the ones declining, or anything else that is specific and it might be acceptable. But just "massive" changes or "invalidate *all* page content rules" without detail or massive support is not proper. Cheers 4687:: In agreement with Elephanthunter, the page is in dire need of cleanup, but clear rules/guidelines need to be established for that to be done efficiently. I agree as well with others who have argued that listing "declined" candidates is overkill for this article, and belongs on sub-articles instead. Also in agreement with Metropolitan90's suggestion that a campaign website be requirement for listing of declared minor candidates.-- 4551:- If these exclusionary changes are applied to this article, then they must be applied to every other article on future U.S. elections as well. I think I'm not alone in saying that this would be far too massive and unnecessary of an overhaul. If anything, the rules should be refined to reduce the number of "kitchen sink" candidates, but otherwise the typical Knowledge (XXG) reader wouldn't take much of an issue with this article. 1454:, who doesn't have a campaign website but definitely stirred up a lot of media attention and received the endorsement of a Never-Trumper. In any case, I don't think these rules should be applied to third party candidates, since very few of them actually hold office, so they practically are all "minor" candidates. And I still support the possibility of just moving all these "minor" candidates to a subarticle if need be. 4017: 3906: 2523: 4400:
as having declined to run. Perhaps in subarticles, but this page should be what is happening in the election, not what isn't. If someone isn't listed as running (potentially running) it should be self-explanatory they are not running. Your edit is a bit extreme, but yes I would support most any trimming of this article, as most of it is unnecessary or outdated speculation and minor irrelevant nobodies.
2510: 2375: 3952: 3805: 3565: 3133: 2962: 2066: 1953: 1178: 3168:). As a result from Rhian2040's indiscriminate re-addition of content, the error fix was reverted, so the error is again visible in the "Notes" section. I do not think the massive content disputes that currently pague the article do include such a technical issue, so I merely ask for the error to be fixed (basically it would mean to conduct the same edit as the one I linked). Thank you. 3418:ā€“ I think we should keep the "Declined" section with brief mentions of denials, because that would avoid repetitive discussions about "didn't Senator X say he may run at some point?" and it's informative to readers to find out who is out of the race. The worst category today is "potential" because it's entirely based on speculation of journalists, pollsters or random joes. ā€” 4568:: No, as the information will winnow itself out over time; the closer we get to the time frame in question, the more the unsourced and unimportant information will be dropped, removed, re-worded. No need to rush that. However, perhaps removing those folks who have not explicitly declared (and been covered, of course, in RS) would be a better direction for this RfC. 2399: 217: 3442:
running for the office, EVER" could make up their minds in one year. We would also have the issue of whom should we add to such section: should we include any person who says 'no', or should we require that the person in question has openly considered it at first, then renegued on it? I believe such a section would be too open to
4517:. While we have to broadly reflect what reliable sources say, we do not simply parrot all reliable sources; we are required to exercise editorial judgement, as directed by the policy linked above (and several others). The media has a 24 news cycle which it fills with speculation, among other things. We cannot do the same. 4081: 2256: 4614:
Article is currently horrible mess of disconnected news reports and pure speculation that doesn't serve the aim of cataloguing relevant encyopediac informaition. It should be rewritten completly like the original support suggested, a comprimise might be moving most of the current article into another
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It is absurdly undue to give such prominence to idiot perennial candidates like Rocky de la Fuente and Jack Fellure as well. We should not be highlighting them with pictures and large table rows or anything at all just because they can fill out an FEC form. It's also ridiculous to list so many people
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Both sets of arguments were, in my opinion, equally strong. With neither argument more compelling than the other, I also examined the distribution of opinions with eight editors opposing the proposal and seven supporting it. Ultimately, though there seems to be a strong sense that much of the content
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I don't think the clip this entry is based on is substantial enough to count as "publicly expressing interest." Baldwin appears to be joking when he talks about how he runs his campaign and how he would most likely win. Also, when he says he would win it seems to be more of a statement on the quality
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Detail: is we keep the Declined section, it should be condensed to just the names of people, without their current title or list of prior positions, followed by one citation documenting their refusal to be a candidate. The section would end up being a single paragraph in prose, so as not to distract.
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I wouldn't want to make a number of endorsements a criterion we use in this article at all. I mean, three of Yang's four endorsers are people I've never heard of. The criteria we use should be more objective than that. Also, I wouldn't want to set the criteria with the goal of intentionally excluding
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Well it's obvious he didn't express interest in running, which is why I'm suggesting he should be in the potential candidates section. The fact that he's insinuating that it's *theoretically possible* that he will run makes him a *potential* candidate. He didn't say he won't run, just that he doesn't
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I think when you're asked if you're gonna run in 2020 and you respond with "I could, but I won't" that counts as saying "no." He didn't add on anything like "we'll see," or "it's too early to think about that," like most others do, it was just a flat "no." Especially since he prefaces it by saying he
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with the tagline "I retired from Americas greatest sport so I can be happy." He also discusses his past career in the NFL here. The Twitter account used to have "2020 presidential candidate" in its bio, I know because I remember looking him up when he was first added to the article. It doesn't at the
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I think the paragraph on the Democratic Party is overemphasizing the party division thing. Also, why is it mentioning House races and impeachment and whatnot? The comment about the "old folk's home" is inappropriate, too. I understand the need for Knowledge (XXG) to have critical narratives, and full
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Why are your standards so low for inclusion in this article? There is absolutely no way to reasonably conclude from that that she's actually considering running for president in 2020. Of course it was tongue-in-cheek. It was a vague, impromptu response to a broad, unexpected question, which she used
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I think it is just too soon for having a "declined" section. What prevents a candidate who has declined at this stage to renegue on their declination and running for the office? Specially when most declines are based on rather ambiguous statements. Even someone who said right now "I'm definitely not
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I support these changes, both the website requirement (and more?!) for runners and JFG's removals. It's ridiculous that just one random private polling company can decide to do a kitchen sink poll of names that no one is seriously expecting to run, and this article lists them. If we disallow kitchen
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Twitter handle (@LoJackson94). The name is pretty consistent with one of his nicknames: LoJack. Using the Wayback Machine, I found that the account used to be verified up to its most recent capture in December 2016. As of now (July 2018), the account is not verified anymore. The same user also posts
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No sorry, you have been consistent and been editing in good faith. I've been paying attention to these articles since before the 2012 election and I just think with the deluge of news sources and sites that do speculation (and pollsters that like to have nonspeculative fun), it's so easy for dozens
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There is no need for a CONSENSUS or an RfC to remove policy-violating material from an article, and this article was full of violations of CRYSTAL, WEIGHT, OR, SYNTH and POV, much of which I have removed.The article was (and in some ways still is) a massive piece of dreck, and should probably never
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Thanks for the detailed explanations. I had not seen where the prior criteria for inclusion were listed. They should be made more prominent in a non-archivable section of the talk page. On substance, I think "1 national poll" is insufficient, because it puts us at the mercy of an isolated idea by a
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as a Republican. His article was nominated for deletion shortly after being put on this page. It was fully deleted in September 2017, so if you go back far enough in the talk page archive (probably anywhere from around June to September 2017) I'm sure you can find us discussing his notability while
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Well damn. I mean to answer your question; I've always taken I guess you could say a neutralist stance on Knowledge (XXG)? Where I try to sort of treat everything kind of equally, I suppose? (I'm sure you've seen plenty of me defending the status quo) Basically, I don't see Richards' expression of
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Now that this distinction has been made, I propose that we move all mention of notable candidates without campaign websites to their respective primary pages. The independent and unaffiliated candidates should probably be removed or moved to some sort of "List of Third Party Candidates in the 2020
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We should not have such excessive speculation on the article, nor retain people who are not in fact involved in the election at this point. If someone is not listed as running, readers would assume they did not run - no need to explicitly list a negative. As an ever-changing website, we can add or
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There are reports that Elizabeth Warren and Kirsten Gillibrand are preparing campaigns and PACs and money to run for president,can we put them in the potential candidate section for Kirsten Gillibrand and Publicly expressed interest for Elizabeth Warren,or do we put both in the potential candidate
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I agree with these requirements for declared candidates. What bother me more is the unseemly list of "potential candidates", which includes some people merely because some journalist or some pollster decided they might be running some day. That's flawed. For example, I removed Steve Bannon and Ann
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I trimmed down a lot of the details, but Democrats trying to out-progressive each other (and whether or not the more progressive candidate actually gets nominated) in the midterm primaries is widely considered a prelude to the 2020 primaries. The Republican section has similar mention to potential
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is my preference for now. The value of the "potential" candidates listing is that it is likely that at least some of them will wind up actually running for the nomination. The "declined" candidates can be listed in the separate articles pertaining to their party's primaries which can go into more
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Opinion polling for the Democratic and Republican primaries should be moved on to their respective pages, as has been done for all US elections. As for global election polls, I would say to just create separate articles for nationwide and statewide polls, just as it's done for previous elections:
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I think those without a website in this case should be removed entirely. This essentially turns the declared candidates section into three categories: "Major," "Other," and "Other-other" candidates. I still think news coverage would be a better way to go about this. This method, as I've mentioned
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will run can be a pretty good gauge of how the race is being viewed by the general public at the current time. We've already tightened the rules a bit from where they used to be (where we allowed "kitchen sink" articles and articles based on social media posts). We can't actually have a "declined
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Well the reason your edits were reverted is because they go against our current consensus: at least 2 (but no more than 3) sources of speculation or 1 national opinion poll. I think the speculation is an important aspect of the early life of articles like these. You can see very similar setups in
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Considering that one of this article's primary purposes is to provide a list of notable candidates, and that the consensus is that "notable" is defined as when an individual has their own biographical Knowledge (XXG) article, I'm fine with the way things are now. Perhaps we should create and link
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shape. Bad enough to warrant your proposal as a stopgap solution. But I suggest that, in cleanup, we establish clear rules. For instance: Only mention the intersection of candidates with an FEC filing and enough notability to warrant a Knowledge (XXG) article. The less opinion involved, the less
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from that of Booker's or Hickenlooper's, they're notable people that were asked about 2020 and didn't say "no." I figure an article like this has to have rules, and we can't really just expel certain people just because we think it's a bit silly (I think Kanye West's supposed candidacy is quite
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I prefer the website criterion to the news coverage criterion. Either a candidate has an official campaign website, or they don't. That's an objective criterion. But it's more difficult to determine what counts as significant news coverage -- and if we were evaluating how much media attention a
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As I see it, the advantage of the website criterion is that it can be applied to candidates from the major parties as well as third party/independent candidates; it's purely within the ability of the candidate and their supporters to accomplish. By contrast, someone like Kanye West, or comedian
509:. I've always been a bit skeptical of West's inclusion at all, but he made a public announcement at the VMAs rather than Perlman for example, who's only made a Facebook post about 2020. We must be non-partial. Daniels might seem ridiculous, but why should she be excluded over, say, someone like 4368:
I see no way to salvage the article as it stands, and feel removing most of the content is the only way to bring this article up to encyclopedic standards. An article that is 260KB in size (much of it tables and references) about an event that will not occur for over 12 months is ridiculously
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There's been a bit of back and forth with galleries of candidates. In the section about potential third-party candidates, it seemed to me inconsistent to have pictures for people who simply "expressed interest", and no pictures for those who actually "declared" a candidacy. However, as we had
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I appreciate the protection of the article, which was appropriate, and understand that full protection is always of the "wrong version" (to someone), but in this case, the restorations were violations of Discretionary Sanctions, so an administrator should edit through protection to remove the
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who filed a Form 1 with the FEC to declare a presidential candidacy is the ex-football player? Granted, the purported candidate and the football player have the same middle name, but we have no sources indicating that the football player is a candidate other than that FEC filing. There are no
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I mean doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of having the website parameter in the first place? Building from that, I think we should take the Fellures and Fiegers of this page and just move all mention of them to their respective primary pages as a sort of "Oh yeah, these people are also
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My take: A diary: Just because someone has a wikipedia page and is involved in an event that also has a wikipedia page doesnt mean they merit being mentioned in that event's wiki. Kanye West, Lawrence Jackson, Jonathan the Impaler are all notable but not necessarily worthy to be mentioned in
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respectively to include the 5 inhabited territories). I see no real reason to treat members of third parties that've expressed interest any differently than members of major parties, especially since we've now removed the distinction between them, just listing them all in the same category.
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The most sensible option IMHO, in agreement with the majority of those have commented so far. I agree with EditDude that the primary pages - and possibly other sub-articles - should keep the lists of "potential" candidates, as those articles are intended to provide more detailed information
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Also list as "potential candidates" people who have hinted at a potential run in a mainstream media interview. That would for example include Carly Fiorina who said she would "certainly consider" running, but exclude Steve Bannon whose candidacy is only a matter of speculation by our cited
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We only cite public statements, not social media posts. You're mocking Stormy Daniels, who has met the criteria of the article by being featured in a national poll, but if we allowed social media posts to dictate who's on the article, this would open the floodgates to include the likes of
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Even when an event is notable, individuals involved in it may not be. Unless news coverage of an individual goes beyond the context of a single event, our coverage of that individual should be limited to the article about that event, in proportion to their importance to the overall
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have been allowed to exist this far in advance of the election -- for chrissake we haven;t even had the mid-terms! All it should have is the official information about the when and the where, and ZERO speculation about WHO. This is not someone's personal political blog. Strip it.
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is the same person that filed an FEC report. The coverage of the potential Democratic Party race is also ridiculous; statements 2-3 years out are notoriously unreliable as to whether people will actually run, as other elections in the interim time period often change this.
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I would keep the list of "Declined to run" for people who have personally responded negatively to a direct question about their potential candidacy. This helps avoid renewed speculation and gives accurate information to readers who may otherwise wonder about some unlisted
1311:, and while Jackson has some interesting things to say, one thing that I couldn't find anywhere on either of those pages was a mention of him being a candidate for President of the United States. I am going to suggest a possible resolution for this in the section below. -- 737:
Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a
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My preferred solution would be to re-instate pictures for the "declared but no web site" candidates, just in short gallery format, not as a full-fledged table; that would remain reserved for "declared with campaign site" candidates. What do our fellow editors think? ā€”
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criterion. Merely having a campaign website doesn't mean that a person should be listed; they also must have declared their candidacy and be notable. Also, this criterion is not meant to be retroactive to past elections; I don't want to remove Abraham Lincoln from
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candidate had received, we would probably want to require an increased amount of media coverage as we get closer to the election. No matter how many bloggers endorse Brad Thor, if he is serious about running for president, he ought to have a campaign website. He
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This article has, for quite some time, operated on what I feel are a ridiculous set of "rules" that amount to original research and synthesis. A positive result from this RFC should invalidate *all* page content rules, requiring them to have a new consensus.
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Yes, please. Anything to keep this article focused a bit more on actually notable (not Knowledge (XXG) notable) people. If they're a joke candidates who can't even take themselves seriously enough to have a campaign website, why should we take them seriously?
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I'm sorry if I, like, upset anybody based on my editing patterns. Like I said, it's mainly for the purpose of maintaining a sense of continuity, where we include people if they meet the criteria - period; I'm open to said criteria changing over time, though.
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Change Michael Avenatti's status that he is "not registered to the political party of this section, but has been the subject of speculation or expressed interest in running under this party" to a Democrat. He has called himself a "lifelong Democrat". Source:
1606:. The thing is that none of these people have actually received any significant media speculation that they might run in the first place. Our current consensus for that is at least 1 (typically 2) speculative article and 1 instance of them declining to run. 3030:
Polling data 2+ years before a general election (and 1+ year before a primary election) with speculative candidates is not particularly useful. With 67KB of it already, it is already too much of the space on this page. I'm not sure the data needs to be
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saying he'd be able to win against Trump if no one good showed up). This was just sorta meant to come to an agreement as to whether or not Richards' statement technically counts and I'm leaning towards yes with a pretty egalitarian view of "expressing
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Who's Who: Yes, Jeff Boss, Jack Fellure, Harry Braun and others are all running for president. But they haven't received any news coverage at all. We need proof that they are notable enough to include in this article, not just proof that they are
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even knows what a website is, though. Regardless, I've also seen a proposal for adding the requirement to have the candidate receive some sort of news coverage for their campaign. That would still exclude Fellure, but would include
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They would both hypothetically be put in the "potential" category, but Gillibrand and Warren have both publicly denied that they're running in 2020. Unless they make a public statement about the race, then they should stay there.
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Especially in the pre-primary environment (which we will be in for the next 18 or 19 months), listing notable people (that have been the subject of speculation) who've officially ruled out running is very important. For example,
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Okay,so publicly denying equals,not running,but the article from this month clearly says that Elizabeth Warren is making moves in preparations to run,so there is a potential here,then why is Tulsi Gabbard on the potential list
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her, i've asked for her name to be removed before and have been ignored for whatever reason. There's no reason to believe she is even interested but for some reason people seem to really want her up there. It's weird honestly.
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I believe that you think youre right, but if youre confident it was already agreed upon then you can tell me where this discussion took place. We need proof these rules were agreed upon. It needs to be written somewhere. Like
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a consensus and then pretended it's always been that way. "Lawrence Jackson is notable enough for this page because Knowledge (XXG) says he is notable in completely unrelated subjects." That contradicts the diary rule written
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If, in the present day, someone is supposedly running for president, but doesn't have a website for their campaign, it's unlikely that their campaign is significant enough to justify listing in this encyclopedia article.
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The primary campaign has started, at least in Iowa and New Hampshire. I've reverted your change as you've thrown the baby out with the bathwater; though I probably support more than half of the individual removals.
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So, are you in favor of removing the gallery of "interested" Democrat and Republican hopefuls until they actually file their candidacy? I think that would considerably diminish the readability of the article. ā€”
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has also ruled out a third run, something that the incumbent President basically challenged her to do. It seems like this is moved to the respective primary pages once the election actually happens (
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Anyone have thoughts? Feel free to critique me if you see fit. It's also ok to partially or fully agree/disagree with my assessment. I might be somewhat clouded by bias but want others' feedback.
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Sorry I got a bit worked up there, I've been commenting on this talk page and article too much lately. I need to try to focus on real life work and will be cutting back on my editing for a bit.
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I'd just throw out there that we should probably at least keep the polls and candidates that've, y'know, already started running like the incumbent for example? Oh well, I guess.
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other articles on elections that haven't happened yet. The only primary difference is the inclusion of pictures of each person. I've mentioned before that who the media
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pointed out the 2016 election article currently has candidates that dont have wikis. It also included candidates without wikis before the election took place like
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that support the change you want to be made. Additionally, since all of the other people on the list have Knowledge (XXG) articles, please make sure candidates
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Actually, this was reached on a previous Presidential election article (I wasn't involved in the article's rules at the time). I simply carried the rules over.
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time of writing and would have come after the latest capture on the Wayback Machine. Other than that, though, I don't know of any other concrete proof.
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Should a massive amount of information, including all discussion of minor, potential, or "declined" candidates, be removed from this article?
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silly, but I've advocated that he stay on the page regardless), but that hasn't stopped consensuses to be made to exclude specific people (
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is listed as a candidate, he only did a social media post. - A person who sadly doesn't quite understand how to sign my posts, 5/8/18.
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You know what I donā€™t really care anymore. Iā€™ll go another break. Iā€™ll check back on this page in like a year or two years or never.
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This will illustrate how I propose to apply the website requirement, in the case of the Democratic "other declared candidates".
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I mean, there's most certainly nominating processes for every third party (even if that process is, in the case of the
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I think we may be breaking some of these rules in our page. Im just saying maybe. I want to know what others think.
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have any plans on running. If you don't say that you aren't running, you shouldn't be in the declined section.
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in 2016, to decide on their nominees via a conference call). There's even full-blown primary elections for
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Support keeping photos only for the declared candidates. I am in 100% agreement with the OP on this one.--
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Option C: Remove all "declined" and "potential" candidates, keep "interested" and "declared" candidates.
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This got caught up in the candidate issues, but I don't believe anyone has objected to its removal (by
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seems like the best option. I don't see the value in listing "potential" and "declined" candidates.
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Candidates should not be excluded because how of editors feel. This is about facts, not opinion.
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Okay, I went ahead and made those changes. Hopefully they will be accepted by the community. --
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shows the changes I want to make, though I feel even more could be removed than I did remove.
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I mentioned this above, but I want to separate it into a separate section on this page.
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and I removed Trey Gowdy and Colin Powell because they were mentioned in just one poll.
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That's based on a social media post, though, which we don't allow (see: John McAfee).
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The restorations of that material ( 3731:More nonsense devaluing the article. 2804:before, would exclude GOP challenger 2103:2600:8800:8900:5800:D53:3D43:EBED:DBD 1522:Coulter because of media speculation, 729:Ensure Knowledge (XXG) pages are not: 7: 4309:The following discussion is closed. 2734:Winger, Richard (January 10, 2017). 2634:"Jain body holds oath- taking event" 2156:Removal of policy-violating material 1155:2601:242:600:5BA0:352A:D44:17D7:14D5 214: 568:, who broke the story, received an 4352:, some "declared" candidates like 3039:and not included in this article. 2217:Proposed design with new criterion 2132:before adding them to the list. ā€” 1393:Proposed new criterion for listing 24: 4666:Unarchived to request closure at 3996:In addition, U.S. Representative 3184:I think I have fixed that now. -- 2762:Russell, Kim (January 13, 2017). 4702:The discussion above is closed. 4216:And while I'm at it, where does 4015: 3950: 3904: 3888:but to discourage edit warring. 3803: 3563: 3310:Option E: Remove all candidates. 3227:pages are more than sufficient. 3131: 2960: 2521: 2508: 2479: 2451: 2397: 2373: 2254: 2116: 2064: 2002: 1951: 1360:CNN backs up the NYT interview. 1224: 1176: 449:The discussion above is closed. 215: 29: 4277:with two editors also invoking 3767:ā€“ Not a clear intent to run. ā€” 3363:Clearly, of all the proposals, 4454:was expected to jump into the 3622:). 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