Talk:4Kids Entertainment/Archive 2

461:(which skips the first 7 episodes of the series, despite the fact that they actually had plenty of exciting action) long enough, it starts to give the impression that Sakura is stupid and that Lee is smarter and more capable than her, or really, any other female character - the girls are portrayed as stupider and more incompetant than they are in the original, which I can tell you, certainly surprised people like me, who had heard much ado about how the show was "empowering for young girls". The original (and the subtitled version of the series, which begins with the first episode) has her as actually being fairly clever at figuring out how to capture the Clow cards despite the weird and unexpected situations they cause. They took a show that was a great little show with a little something for everyone and a smart young lead female character, and turned it into a slightly misogynistic Boys Club show. Did I care that Japanese elements were removed that wouldn't have been understood by most of the Kids WB audience? No. Did I care that they changed the opening theme entirely, from a light and girly upbeat pop song to the melodramatic Cardcaptors theme? No. Did I care that they changed names to things like "Madison"? Nope, not in the least. But did I dislike that they totally mucked around with the entire aim and message of the series, taking what was a girl-friendly action series (with little in the original to offend Western sensibilities) and turning it into an unfortunately typical "boys rule, girls drool" cartoon series? You bet. 1376:

responsible for many of its biggest hits, including Pokemon, Cabbage Patch Kids and Yu-Gi-Oh! Mr. Kahn's entrepreneurial insight and unique youth-oriented marketing strategies are the hallmarks of his corporate vision. In 1992, Mr. Kahn added television production and distribution and media planning and buying to 4Kids Entertainment's licensing business by forming two subsidiaries: 4Kids Productions, Inc. and The Summit Media Group, Inc. In 2000, Mr. Kahn created 4Kids Technology, Inc. and Websites 4Kids, Inc. In January 2002, Mr. Kahn again expanded the scope of the Company by winning the bidding to lease Fox Broadcasting's Saturday morning children's block. The programming block, called the 4Kids TV, commenced with Fox's Fall 2002 schedule. With the additional hours of programming, the Company has become one of the largest suppliers of children's entertainment content to network television in the United States, with an average of 11 shows and 11 hours per week of programming in the 2002/2003 broadcast season. Also in 2002, Mr. Kahn added 4Kids Entertainment Home Video, Inc. and 4Kids Entertainment Music, Inc.

2686:"It was announced in November 2008 that the 4Kids TV block would conclude at the end of the year due to a payment/distribution dispute between 4Kids and Fox. The block ended on December 27, 2008. Fox announced that the time would no longer be used for kids programming, owing that it was no longer viable due to the burden of E/I programming and the insurmountable competition from Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and Discovery Kids since the time was used for kids programming since 1990. On Jaunary 3, 2009, the network will give two hours back to affiliates (likely to encourage them to begin Saturday morning newscasts or make fulfilling their E/I requirements easier), while the other two hours will become an informercial block titled Weekend Marketplace. The 4KidsTV logo now only exists as the closing logo for 4Kids Entertainment for 4Kids shows run outside of The CW4Kids block outside of the United States. 3996:

why there weren't any Warner's cartoons with black characters and I didn't have any good answer for that question. So we sat down together and came up with a parody of Disney's "Snow White" and "Coal Black" was the result. They did all the voices for that cartoon, even though Mel Blanc's contract with Warners gave him sole voice credit for all Warners cartoons by then. There was nothing racist or disrespectful toward blacks intended in that film at all, nor in Tin Pan Alley Cats which is just a parody of jazz piano great Fats Waller, who was always hamming into the camera during his musical films. Everybody, including blacks had a good time when these cartoons first came out. All the controversy about these two cartoons has developed in later years merely because of changing attitudes toward black civil rights that have happened since then."

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material - and what I did remove, mostly was done so because it had become redundant, or unrelated. Frankly, I'm not a fan of anime or manga - I don't watch/read either - and began editing this article solely because it needed clean-up. I believe the typical edits, as described, are both fair and balanced - and have been described, as such by the management at 4Kids. However, I understand your criticism, and am editing them to remove the implication that 4Kids is directly involved in them - since it should be apparent, by context, and thus repeated mentions could be construed as being biased. Thanks for your comments, though - I very much enjoy feedback, and discussion, on what is being presented. I always felt the "edits" section was somewhat weaker than the rest, and am glad to hear confirmation on it. --

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puns. They have given Don Krieg Poison suction cups that make no sense in their delivery. They have given Monkey D. Luffy an annoying voice, as was done to Sanji and Usopp. Thay have given Luffty Dumbass jokes. They have replaced the BGM and Opening with a stupid rap. They have onitted nearly 40 episodes in order to get to the chase of something. They have committed Racist edits. They hae put music in that has no point to the storyline. They have replaced Onigiri with cookies and ruined the oint of the salt/sugar edit. They have made Naval marines carry toy guns. They have blacked out writing on covers no one will read. They have removed shout and confusion marks from the charachters. They have replaced technique names and confused them to hardcore fans. I could go on and on about this.

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motif, you do not understand it - you will miss jokes, miss context, miss important nuances of the program. The average America viewer is not Japanese, and does not understand Japanese culture. They are not hostile to it, but would be confused and probably annoyed by material they view that they are not familiar with. This is not unique to 4kids, or to American media - for instance, even a country as similar to America as Canada would localize content like Sesame Street for a Canadian audience because the typical Canadian child does not have the same cultural references as an American. In fact, Sesame Street has actively promoted this localization, creating "spin-offs" for many different countries under slightly different names. Take it as much the same.

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kids don't know what Sushi is, and even if they didn't they would find out easily. Also with 90% of video games coming from Japan, I'm sure children are going to know a little bit about what japanese kanji and whanot look like. So don't say its not a pointless edit, because it most definitely is. The only people that don't hate 4kids are those who don't care about anime or those who haven't found out what they did to shows (I am one of those people, I remember going to see a Pokemon movie when i was a kid and thinking "It's wonderful what these 4kids people do, brining these shows from japan here for us. See even then I knew this stuff came from Japan, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize Japanese products.).

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poorly-dubbed, being less consistent and featuring crappier voices for most of the characters, but at least didn't lose the girl-friendliness) as I recall sold not as well as the uncut subtitled VHS... but I seem to recall the bilingual DVDs selling quite well; there having been (eventually) a halfway decent market for both versions, obviously. Again - it depends on the audience for a PARTICULAR show, not kids' anime in particular. There were plenty of adult anime fans who thought CCS was cute and clever, or had nostalgia (as in my case) for

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kids can't recognize them for being Japanese text, let alone read them. I don't know why the english letters were removed, but my guess is that if the artistic edits were done by the Japanese artists, then they would have removed all Japanese and English letters in order to send them out to the entire Western market, not just America. That way, anime titles such as One Piece and Sonic X would be better edited for non-english speaking markets, such as Mexico, Europe, and China.

3025:(in response to Worlder) The Paris Hilton article was vandalised a lot around the time when she was in jail, and yet we kept mention of it in the article. Whenever someone famous dies, the article is vandalised a lot, and yet we still mention the death in the article. When an article is on the front page, it is usually vandalised a lot, yet we do not delete the entire article ;). If this article is vandalised, we revert the vandalism, and place the appropriate 31: 1207:

love of anime is what draws them to watch 4Kids shows in the first place, then they Google their favourite 4Kids shows, and get directed to websites that expose 4Kids harsh editing practices, and then become upset that their favourite anime shows are being hacked up like this, then they go download subtitled uncut Japanese versions of the shows, quit watching 4Kids TV, and become part of the large "anti-4Kids" part of the anime fanbase. --

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own opinion, which is not a reliable source. Also, the sentence is not misleading, as 4Kids programming is geared towards the 8-13-year-old market, if I'm not mistaken. I think there are some who call children in their early to mid teens "young adults" these days. But, as for this, please leave the article at the original version until a concensus is reached, mm'kay?

3368:"On Fox's Shaman King, a fight between two characters ends when one kicks the other in the head and knocks him unconscious. The victor picks up the loser by his hair, and reaches into his chest while the loser screams. The victor then takes out the loser's soul and puts it into his own body, silencing the other. What is this teaching the 6 year-olds in the audience?" 2816:, they said that they had retained the financial advisor Montgomery & Co. to help evaluate its strategic alternatives including, but not limited to, asset sales, alliances with strategic partners, and/or a sale of the Company through a merger or other corporate transaction. So 4Kids is not going anywhere until the process ends or until it decides otherwise. -- 2293:, will you? Yes, there is vandalism. If the vandalism increases, we just ask for semi-protection again. This is nowhere near being one of the most vandalised pages, and not all animé fans are "racist asshole Otakus" or "anime fundamentalists" on an "annoying crusade for cartoon riceballs". If you have an axe to grind, Knowledge is not the place to do it. -- 3037:, and get it semi-protected. The company is one of the most criticised of all localisation companies, due to the methods it uses, and the section is well-sourced (five different references for the section, though more would always be good), and relatively well-written. The section should not be removed simply because of the vandalism it causes. -- 491:. These are largely the people buying the uncut releases. Newer shows I'm guessing have had less time to grow an adult audience that would be willing to buy uncut releases. Not that teens and kids don't sometimes want to watch stuff subtitled, but the majority seem to be fine with an OK dub, more compared to adults I would say. 3186:

shap isn't at all intimidating. In fact, it gives the situation an absurd quality. Just because most cartoons are for children, doesn't mean we have to throw logic out the window. Makes me glad that there is a possiblity that 4Kids will close. The company did to games what LGN did to games during the begining of the industry.

2328:. The edit in question was regarding the demographics of 4Kids TV, which does not aim toward the YA market obviously. I do not wish to trigger an "edit war", but I'd rather make a good negotiation over an apparently "misleading" sentence. For now I've reverted the sentence AGAIN, because "4Kids TV is aimed toward...young 1077:

Yu-Gi-Oh properties, and as being one of the best-performing publicly-traded stocks of the late 90's. That is, with the exception of a column in a single issue of the Honolulu Star Bulletin, and one sentence of a online review of a Pokemon DVD, taken from the toonzone website which is part of the anime fan community. --

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tone (either by actual wording, or surplus detail). Please, do not revert sections like that without discussing it - the "expansion", in my opinion, did not add anything to the article, while seriously compromising both the technical quality and the overal neutrality of the article as a whole. Again,

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Does that really need to be here? It doesn't really have anything to do with 4Kids' itself and all it does is make people think they're racist even thought it was to prevent racism. It doesn't even say in the article that it was to prevent racism. If anything I think it should go in the editing of

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of 4Kids Entertainment before might have contempt for it based on the "criticism and controversy" section of the 4Kids Entertainment Knowledge article. Therefore, I would like to have the "young adult" part removed, as it clearly does not make sense, but for now I will not rush to edit it out because

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issues, and was something of a general mess. I've come back, and fixed it up - very little actual content has been removed; most was either condensed, or moved to a related page. This version reflects an encyclopedic merit much more than then the previous - and it much less prone to POV vandalism.

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Actuallly, I'm not sure anymore. It's not just 4KidsEntertainment.com, but every piece of evidence of it ever existing was removed from 4Kids.TV and 4KidsEntertainment.com, except a few pictures of Luffy on the latter, and in a list of shows in the Properties section, but then again, Pokémon is still

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Mr. Kahn has created a fully integrated platform that positions 4Kids Entertainment to harness and reap the rewards of some of the most exciting children's entertainment in the world. Mr. Kahn is a pioneer in identifying trends in Japanese popular culture and adapting them to a global audience, which

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this reminds me of an episode of the old TMNT show. They are searching for some villain and they are in a newsroom or airport where there are clocks with times around the world on them. There was a conversation that was like "Oh no, we're too late" "No we're not, its only x o'clock in place where bad

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If 4kids really was xenophobic, then they would never give the japanese companies money or make japanese anime popular in the first place. If you want to see an actual xenophobic version of One Piece, look up the Korean version. In Korea, anything Japanese is bad, so Zoro's katanas were edited into

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I think we should be watching this article closely for vandalism. Just right now the 4Kids Entertainment Article was vandalized and that made me having to edit the article. I don't want this article to be locked but we should be watching this article closely. I think this article should be protected

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Not to mention the extremely stupid "invisible guns" on Yu-Gi-Oh. It's like "Oh no! The Guard is pointing at me! Whatever shall I do?". I understand the idea of not having guns in an anime, so as to not influence children, but it's just absurd the way they did it. A guy having his fingers in a "gun"

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Hm, posted only a minute before I told you to take it to the talk page. No matter. I reverted your edit for the last time, and please leave it that way until the discussion here is complete. You've provided no solid points as to why you should remove that phrase, and all you're running on is your

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Thats assuming they don't dub any more episodes. Currently they are not in the process of dubbing, but nearly every television production company takes breaks during the production of television series. We don't have any indication that they don't plan to dub more in the future, and if the current

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This is why Knowledge has an NPOV policy. This article's subject is notable for being a successful and well-known nationwide American business in the entertainment feild, and for a mild level of controversy regarding some of their adaptations of Japanese series for American audiences. Note of course

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better." Honestly, I don't know why people are confusing ALL of the people who disliked some of 4Kids' changes with purists who pretty much think every anime is a holy text... because that isn't true, given what I've seen. Yes, you will always get the purists going into these discussions... but then

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Well, 4Kids removes references to things that most American children wouldn't be familiar with, such as changing the rice balls into cookies. Its not out of xenophobia, its just a matter of creating a product that the target audience can better embrace. Same thing goes with removing kanji symbols,

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purposely made as blackface in the Japanese version of the show because they have a long tradition of using blackface in a cultural context which is different than America. We aren't telling anyone that it's racist — where just telling people that it can be considered racist in the United States.

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I just read that part in the controversy section regarding the Parents TV group criticizing "4Kids' dubs." They're not doing that, actually. It seems like the entire articles were criticizing the shows themselves, not whether or not dubbing is involved. They've drawn comparisons to other shows, and

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Well even though i've seen the edits that 4Kids have done to One Piece and the rants that followed on Youtube and other video-sharing sites, I might say that it's about time that TGS pulled the plug on its broadcast on Fox, even though 4Kids isn't gone completely since their other broadcast station

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Hmm - I believe the current edit, as it currently stands, more accurately than the previous revision did. Mostly, in re-editing the article, I focused on providing a focus for each of the claims - rather than simply provided a textual "list" of comments by different parties. I removed very little

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My point. I have decided to just call it hiatus for now unless 4Kids sends out a press release or removes it from their website (they did remove Pokémon as soon as they lost it). Any more attempts to say it is officially cancelled will be treated as vandalism. Many people can claim they have gotten

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But keeping the stuff would be a cultural experience in education. I myself had no idea what rice balls were until I started watching Anime (I do believe Digimon kept them as rice balls, but I'm not sure) but now I know a lot more about Japanese culture after watching anime shows. Plus its not like

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Read this quote from Bob Clampett: "In 1942, during the height of anti-Japanese sentiment during World War II, I was approached in Hollywood by the cast of an all-black musical off-broadway production called Jump For Joy while they were doing some special performances in Los Angeles. They asked me

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This is just a note - the last revision of the criticism simply reverted all of the material that I had specifically edited down. I thought, and no one had disputed, that I had retained all of the substantive content in that section, while still reducing either POV material, or simply non-neutral

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Sorry, since there wasn't any further discussion for a few days I assumed that there wasn't anything left to discuss. Anyway, the blurb discusses what 4Kids entertainment is "most well-known for". The keyword is "most". The mainstream media only cites them as being the owners of the Pokemon and

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According to C21 Media News, 4Kids Entertainment is in final negotiations to acquire the English language translation and distribution rights to the wildly successful Ojamajo Doremi shoujo anime TV series. "4Kids' CEO Al Khan told C21 that he is bringing the toon to Fox Box in an attempt to expand

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But, it was an edit done by 4-Kids to remove potentially offensive material from the program when it was rebroadcast in the United States. I don't think it implies that they are racist, and given the fact that there is controversy over their editing of television programs for content, I think it

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Fine but I feel that this controversy section acts an auxiliary magnet for vandalism and constant fuel for hatred towards the company. I feel that that the wikipedians defending the integrity of the article (and the company as we've became devil's advocates through this article) would have a alot

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4Kids launched an online video player on their website on September 8, 2007, and has been adding full episodes and more videos and content since then. However, it was revamped on September 25, 2008, though in beta testing. Promotions state that 4Kids TV will be "moving online" starting in January

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The anime fanbase often crosses over into the 6-12 fanbase. Have you ever seen the 4Kids forums? They are full of pre-teens who consider themselves anime fans and quite a few of them actually use the character's Japanese names in their posts about shows like Ojamajo Doremi or Tokyo Mew Mew. Their

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That is, out of the 25 news stories that GNews tracks about 4Kids, 2 of them reference their editing practices. However, I do understand your point, and believe that if we can expand the leading blurb somewhat, it will be safe to mention both. Put it this way - a company can be "well-known" for

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I'm not saying that the "controversy" among anime fans isn't signifigant, it is, thats why we have a section about it in the article. I'm saying that this "controversy" isn't on a scale nearly large enough to have much real-world impact. When it comes to defining what 4Kids is "most well-known

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Yes, it's quite clear that the material is being localized for an American audience. Media all over the world does this routinely for a large number of different programs. Put it this way - when you ingest media through viewing, it plays into a whole cultural motif. If you are not part of that

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I think Gune may have the notion that blackface is a form of representation (as in tokenism) for black people. An offensive form of representation, but representation nonetheless. So by removing blackface, one has removed an instance where blacks were shown in anime; thus, the removal of a black

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They have sidestepped around death by throwing scenes around clumsily and paying little or no attention to continuity. They have changed religious symbols that would have no meaning to the audience at large and wasted mney on paint edits. They have Made crappy writing and attempts to make stupid

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If it is a deformity, then it means that controversy sections are abnormal, no? The controversy here is actually mainly fan criticism. I do not know whether other companies have much fan criticism, but if other companies do not also have much fan criticism as much as this one, then this abnormal

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If we practised that kind of standard ("nobody cares about this aside from..."), pretty much all of Knowledge would be gone. Articles on film stars? Clearly only film lovers and fangirls/fanboys care about those. Articles on TV shows? Only fans of the show or people wanting to look into it would

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Final section is confusing. It is not apparent that this constitutes a major scandal at all. Frankly, it should either be removed or sources with more perspective need to be produced. I attempted to trim it down to the very meat of the point made, but unless this is expanded this article will

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I mean, after all, if TGS didn't acquire the rights to One Piece in the first place they would've never did their controversial and ridiculous editing practices that gave the company a very bad name, and TGS would still be broadcasting in 2009. I guess that this could be chalked up to karma, or

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Mr. Kahn joined Leisure Concepts, Inc. (predecessor to 4Kids Entertainment's licensing division) in 1988 and is the architect of its expansion into a vertically integrated group of companies collectively known as 4Kids Entertainment, Inc. Mr. Kahn is a leading figure in the licensing industry,

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Most of what you say needs to be explained in a certain light (since it's a touchy subject to some, example explaining how they edit shows) i had cleaned and changed the tone of the article while trying to included arguments from both sides. Your revision leans a little to much on the fan side

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article, you can see that their anti-trust problems are references front and center in the leading blurb. Our blurb is much shorter, but the point is still taken. 4Kids is not talked about a lot in the media - GNews brings up only a handful of hits - but even among those the editing issue is

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Lacks scholarly opinion. Althought I strove to eliminate them, there remains an "opinion" section which requires an authoritative source for the viewpoint. In fact, this whole section lacks perspective, but (as I mentioned) I am not familiar enough with the subject material to do more than a

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English dub is sometimes also considered "butchered", that it still kept the basic spirit of the series largely intact and sold quite well... as did the uncut subtitled releases of those same seasons, sold several years later. The edited dub VHS of the third and fourth seasons (which were more

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The actual picture. Not everybody will consider it a blackface or that its racist at all. It needs to be reworded so that somebody can come to their own conclusion. If somebody reads that captain the way it is right now they will think that it was purposely made as a blackface and that it was

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A licensing and merchandising veteran with a strong retail background, Mr. Kahn was previously Executive Vice President of Marketing for Coleco Toys, where he is best known for acquiring the license and then mapping out the marketing strategy for the Cabbage Patch Kids. Mr. Kahn received his

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I just updated the trading information to that of 4Licensing Corp. However, I had to use a template that, while more accurate than the OTCQB template, is inaccurate because the company is on the Grey Market as of now. Thus, I propose a template, such as OTCGrey for Grey Market securities.

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There appears to be a confusion here (I won't comment on whether or not it's delibrate and meant to be insulting) between "anime fan" and "utterly obsessed fan" and "people who like their anime mostly unedited" and "people who found some of the past anime edits to various serious somewhat

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04:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC) Also, some have vandalized this particular section, but certainly not the majority of vandalizations are localized within this particular section. Even if it were, removing pertinent information would certainly not be constructive towards documenting pertinent

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Eh, I disagree - we've only had two cases of vandalism in the last week, and both were by the same user, on the same day. We've also had good, constructive edits by anonymous users in that time period. I'm loathe to semi-protect an article on such a basis, and cut out all their helpful

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The trail for the lawsuit took place in August, at least the first phase anyway, so why has there been no updates on it, did they win, settle out of court lose? if anyone has fount anything, I can't find anything no matter where I look, please update the Lawsuit and Bankruptcy section.

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The show "Kappa Mikey" is listed as a production of 4Kids, but the show's own article says that it is produced by Animation Collective, while some of 4Kids' voice actors, primarily Dan Green, work on the program. Does that really warrant its inclusion in the list of 4Kids productions?

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Okay, I spent my New Year's Eve going through that section with a fine-toothed comb. First of all, I don't have a hat in this arena, so I really don't care either way about this topic. However, you will note that I actually did not remove very much material - the majority of what

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While its site is still active, I was unable to get confirmation of 4LC's continuation after its 2016 bankruptcy due to a failed email to its information department. Thus, I strongly suspect its liquidation. However, I'd like someone else to research the subject for thoroughness.

426:"Anime fan" = DOES NOT have any "certain" implications other than the person likes Japanese animation. Seriously. I know tons and tons of people who call themselves "anime fans" and they run the gamut from pompous intellectuals publishing books on the Kabbalic references in 124:

Ex: Removing Japanese text even though its in English sometimes, changing a character uses a "Curry Deck" into a Pot Roast deck. Note American children / teens know where Japan is, but accourding to the the master Al kahn he thinks American children don't know how to read.

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which is used to demean and make fun of black people. I'm not going to get into an argument about whether or not it's racist to remove it, but suffice to say that your argument that removing blackface from films is equivalent to removing black people is totally vacuous.

2405:. Therefore, I would like to remove the "young adult" part if I could, but I am not budging to edit until I see some agreements when I check back here later. I have good reason to question the inclusion of "young adult" in the sentence regarding 4Kids TV. Go to the actual 2381:

Well, considering they specifically in their market prospectus say that they're targeting more of their material towards the young adult market - typically, this means in the ill-defined area that includes teenagers and tweens - I think we should take them at their word.

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guy is" "That's right, in different parts of the world, time is different" "and they say you can't learn anything from cartoons." Now tell me that TMNT did not and does not sell well, and tell me how cultural snippets of info are not like passively referring to time zones.

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I would like to make a request change on the 4kids page under the section Editing and Localization of Anime. This quote should be included because the part of the Parent Television Council writing about Shaman King being too violent should also include the quote itself.

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care. Olympic athletes? Only people who like sports. Astronomy, chemistry, physics or biology? Pish! Only science nerds care, right? American Civil War? Come on, it happened like a century and a half ago, and nobody but historians and re-enacters cares anymore, right? :P

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No, people can draw their own conclusions about why it was made. It makes perfect sense to state the social connotations of blackface in an article which discusses editing for social reasons. Like the fact that it's racist, and offends people. Since we don't have a

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and were more concerned with "shipping" (pairing up of various characters) than obscure references... or dub censoring. I've seen anime fans ranging from "purist who will never watch a show in anything but the original language", to "actually liked the dub version of

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one, as far as they go, then it needs to be mentioned. Not only does it comprise a significant section of the current article, it is also one of the most enduring and recognizable associations that is made with the 4Kids name. It needs to stay, in some form.

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I understand where you're coming from here, but it's a decidedly non-trivial issue, even outside the anime community. Most people are aware of the censorship issue, and tend to talk about it when 4Kids entertainment is referenced. If you compare this to the

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It seems that vandalism to this article is getting pretty frequent. Therefore, I agree that this page should be semi-protected to ward off the vandals. However, I would like to reach a majority consensus among the users discussing here before I resort to

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What? 4Kids does not aim their products at the anime community, their products are aimed at children aged 6-12. This is one reason why 4Kids and its shareholders consider complaints from anime fans to be irrelevant, they are coming from a different

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for inclusion, and I'm afraid I had to remove both. If you have sources that confirm, to the standards required, that these programs are in production, please both produce them and re-list the shows. Until them, I think they should remain deleted.

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Fine that section stays but I hope to see indefinite semi-protection in the near future, because don't you think it is a burden to put up with all those annoying attacks by these extremists against the company for reasons that it committed misdeeds

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very offensive. Why does it matter if that's the only time they've removed blackface — the example clearly illustrates (1) the problem 4Kids faces and (2) how they deal with it. I don't know how it implies 4Kids is racist, even remotely.

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Er, that wasn't exactly what I meant - I meant they chiefly target at the community of children who typically watch their previous programs. It was probably incorrect to call that an "anime community". However, I agree with you now.

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However when the vandalism lifts, this article is going to be under even more attacks by those AnimeTojos! The good thing though is that if they vandalize enough within one timeframe we can call for indefinite semi-protection.

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deleted the opening line "and an ongoing controversy over their editing practice", asserting "there is no controversy outside of anime circles". I would argue that this should be included - 4Kids Entertainment has made its

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Just because it's an unusual case, can we include a blurb about a time 4Kids plagiarized a fan website for their own? :D I have photographic evidence. But it's probably not important enough I guess. But definitely funny.

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the anime community, and any controversy there needs to be reflected in the article. However, I'm coming around to your point of view, and believe that unless we can seriously expand the first paragraph, it doesn't meet

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Well, if many people hate this company, then of course that is the controversy, isn't it? It should just be monitored to see that it is about what is popularly hated about this company rather than to have the intent of

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That's all well and good, but I watched Cardcaptors regularly back in middle school and thought it was a great show. Of course, I had never even heard of the japanese version, like 99% of all kids in America at that

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Well, lots of people would disagree with you on that one, which is probably why they changed it. However, we've decided to simply say "they changed it" without going into specifics of why. If anyone can't see why

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Sorry to ask this question but when you send a message to 4 kids entertainment how long does it take for them to respond because for me they didn't answer my question for a very long time when I send a message.

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the gender demographic of the block... 'The designs are pretty so they appeal to girls, but the characters are very sexy so boys like them,' he said. 'We're hoping to mix and match the block's gender appeal.'"

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It should say "blackface can be viewed as racially offensive in the United States" or "this picture can be considered racially offensive in the United States" Instead you list it as "This picture IS racist."

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Such as? Also anime fans are the only ones that should be concerned about an Anime Dubbing Company. Do we really concern ourselves with the leader of the "Save the Whales" movement's opinion on the matter?

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Removed the "neutrality" and "clean-up" flags. Feel free to replace these if you feel this was premature. I noticed this article does not get a lot of traffic, so I opted to remove them now, rather than

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All I know is that there are dozens of people I've seen who think 4Kids is racist just by looking at that picture. Could you put something that implies it was to prevent racism in the caption under it?

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We're open for an attack quickly get an indefinte semiprotection. This page is low management it, doesn't require unregistered to contribute (in fact most of the unregisters are vandals to this page).

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Probably not, but how can we tell? Furthermore, we have only even a corporate history for his time at 4Kids. What else did he do? Who knows! If you feel you have enough info to do a good write,

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and authoritative links for criticism, I don't think these should be re-added. I also killed a non-functional link, for obvious reasons. Still need to figure out what to do with the "edits" links.

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e-mails, but that's still original research, especially when so many people want 4Kids to stop dubbing. News probably got out and as a chain of people who want to believe it's true, it's spreading.

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Well, 4Kids stopped, but not all the English episodes have aired in the US. There are a total of 104 English episodes, and we have seen 77 in the US. The remaining episodes are airing on Toonami.

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Okay, I've killed these. The criticism section definitely doesn't meet NPOV requirements for inclusion - the sentiment is already reflected in the criticism section, and unless we can find some

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My guesses are, either he's actually satan, a xenophobe, some guy who think's he's better than you, an idiot or, finally, and most plausibly, he thinks we're all to stupid.(the godammed bastard)

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Organize the corporate material more properly. 4Kids is a large company, and has many branches. Currently, the "Leadership" section is floating at the end of the article and lacks sources.

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I agree wholeheartedly with Tommy; it wasn't just One Piece they ruined in this way. Put in the controversy section, if only as a means to show the world how much 4Kids are destroying anime.

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Majority of shows done by 4Kids are definitely aimed at the younger crowd. I don't have the time to look up the information, but I don't believe anything worse than Y7 is in their showcase.

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Alfred R. Kahn is Chairman and CEO of 4Kids Entertainment, Inc. - a New York Stock Exchange-listed Company that is a global provider of children's entertainment and merchandise licensing.

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Fix the "awards" section - it too, seems random. I am considering merging the leadership and awards section together, since they appear to have considerable overlap at this point in time.

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Ok who here thinks this article should be semi-protected indefinitely? Because those anime zealots are not going to get discouraged by a temporary protection, even if it lasts for months.

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Insufficient sourcing. The article appears well-sourced, but it does not run deep. Most of these sources are from one or two interviews. More background material needs to be developed.

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If you guys are looking for information that news sources would talk about, I suggest deleting this whole page because no one really cares about this aside from children and anime fans.

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Blackface is only racist in America.That is not blackface.He has brown,not black,skin.He doesn't have googly eyes.His lips aren't pink.Blackface is used in Japan as a form of respect.

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several different things; not all of them have to be on the same scale in order to be included. 4Kids chiefly aims at its fanbase to pitch shows to, and the controversy chiefly exists

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Actually it was better how it was worded. People could have came to either conclusion by how it is. How you worded it now makes everybody think that 4Kids edited it to prevent racism.

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Yes there is. The article explains that they remove material which American audiences would find offensive — I think that's an excellent example of that, since most Americans find

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I second that. The last sentence in the first paragraph suggests that 4Kids will be hosting "Homestuck the Anime," which I don't believe has any citations. This seems like a rumor.

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I remain skeptical about the noteriety of the "Kids don't read" fiasco, and am probably could to remove it unless better documentation can be found, or something strongly objects.

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I'm not even sure what you're arguing — that blackface isn't racist? That the image isn't of blackface? That Japan doesn't use blackface? Who knows, but they're all wrong. --

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They should have left it unedited. I've been over this discussion many times before. Its much more racist to change the color of the skin than leaving it to "prevent" racism.

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Well, yeah there is a lot of marketing fluff in that, but you can pick out the factual stuff from it pretty easily. Does Kahn do anything notable outside of his profession?--

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Yes, see, this is what I was referring to when I said "rumor". They're hypothesizing a future Banjo-Kazooie game, and cartoon series. However, the article is specifically a

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Okay, I couldn't find any sources for a Legend of Zelda license aquired by 4Kids Entertainment, and Banjo-Kazooie is only a rumoured production. Rumours do not qualify under

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Actually its already been stated that in order for it to be Blackface it must be the actual color black. Obviously it isn't which means you are the one who is making it up.

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address these concerns in their announcements, and in the products they issue. Also, I would just like to note that you should try and reach consensus on the the talk page

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Anyone else that controversity section is a deformity upon this company and it wiki article. I say that it be removed so it so no one will ever be reminded of this again.

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It is already semi-protect just be longer, like forever. Because those anime fundamentalists just won't give up their useless annoying crusade for cartoon riceballs!!!

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They're not very helpful. I asked a week or so ago if they had any information about their CEO, so I could improve the article (and his), but they haven't replied. --

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I've updated all of the lists, trimmed down some material, merged others. Very little information was lost, just moved around. All of the sections modified conform to

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character, even if it is a blackface character, is racist because it denies a representation of blacks in this particular form of animation, or at least, in this show.

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It isn't posted to the public, use the contact information that is given by their corporate website. Also, stop asking making new headlines to ask the same question.--

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that it's not just "children and anime fans" who have cared; 4Kids has also come under fire from conservative groups in the U.S. for the content in some of their shows.

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article, and it does not mention young adults anywhere. So why should this page regarding its parent company claim so? Besides, look carefully at the company's name: 4

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I just added a little note, explaining that blackface is judged racist in the United States. The reader can draw their own conclusions about why 4Kids removed it. --

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But that's the only time they've ever made an edit like that. It's a a poor example. Not only that, but there's no mention in the article about the edit at all.

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Is there a source for either of those (aside from animenetwork which really isn't official)? It should be put in the article if it is. And is there an update?--

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21:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC) I told you that the first moments we life protection those racist asshole Otakus would come flooding back in to butch the company.

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I have heard that Al Kahn has said that the Magical DoReMi girls' outfits are "sexy". Does anyone know when and where he said this and what his exact words were?

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hi, when this article saying "was". Are u sure guys that 4licensing is ended with their company? Because there site is still avaible and i see 2017 copyright!--

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for", their success with adapting the Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh franchises absolutely dwarfs the significance of whatever conversations take place on anime forums.--

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I agree with you. If there is an ongoing controversy with fans of the original product that 4kids is editing and distributing, then it is indeed "significant".

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Actually I wasn't even arguing that before. I don't even know how we got on this subject.I was arguing the fact that the sentence itself should be reworded.

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CW is the only remaining one left. I haven't seen TGS's final broadcast last Saturday (12-29-2008), but at least some anime fans are celebrating its demise.

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I'm not very versed in this 'controversy', but perhaps there can be some editing to ensure that the reader understands that the 'controversy' is pretty much

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My, Yugioh does have the worst luck of ending up with unpopular companies. You should hear the s**tstorm of hate Konami is getting from gamers this year.

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Yes, I agree with this edit. When I was re-working the original pages, I noticed it and thought it was odd. However, I don't really know anything about

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That is your own opinion that it is. I've asked multiple people including black people and they have all said the edit is more racist than the original.

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don't hate 4Kids, and I think it's shameful that anime fans make such a big deal out of what they do. They don't want to anger these people on purpose!

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http://www.tradingmarkets.com/adv.php?ref=/news/stock-alert/kde_4kids-entertainment-announces-move-of-its-common-stock-from-nyse-to-otcbb-956095.html

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I just proposed indefinite semi-protection for this article. So those that wish to vandalize 4kids Entertainment's article,get a name, ya extremists.

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I know 4kids is trying to localize the anime (cartoon know) but does it seem anti-Japanese removing text, changing location, changing storylines.

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Actually its the picture itself. Not the actual blackface. Not everybody considers it racist but your wording makes the picture sound like it is.

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But as I said, the demise of TGS isn't the complete demise of 4Kids overall. 4Kids is still alive with their other broadcast station, The CW. --

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I don't think 4kids has an in-house recording studio. If that's the case, then they wouldn't really have a static cast of voice actors.--

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in the industry by primarily distributing and marketing anime products. If there is a controversy in the anime community - and this is a

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Also considering that Nintendo took Pokemon away from them and are work less with them I doubt they would give them the Zelda Franchise.--

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Right, as much as I would like this news to be true, a forum post of a guy claiming to have gotten an email is not a reliable source.--

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I think you're applying an unfair standard here. As I mentioned, 4Kids Entertainment is not really mentioned in the mainstream media

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for that, we can't just say it — but we can explain what happened, and what the social connotations of what was removed entailed. --

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Amazingly, that's the one thing I didn't think to try because of the space. I, however, tried GreyMarket and OTCGrey, among others.

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gonna be semi-protected one day or another! The vandalism surely did progress from "isolated" to "perpetual". Geez, why can't those

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This article was my old stomping grounds, so I've decided to come back and clean it up. When I left, it suffered from some serious

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I just edited out "young adult" - but I hit Enter just before i was about to finish my edit reason, it was because the article for

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Can you give some 4 kids email adresses I can contact because I can't find anything you said on the 4 kids entertainment home page.

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removed generally became redundant when I tightened the organization and wording. Anyways, my major changes are summarized below:

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Deleted a largely inconsequential, or unrelated, discussion of manga reading habits at the end of the article, in the last section

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No, you made a general statement that we discussed for a while with little profit. Do you have a precise revision suggestion? --

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Worlder,just because we want anime,and not knock offs,doesn't give you the right to call us otakus.That is a personal assault.

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True, but educational programming usually doesn't sell well. Successful products must cater to the demands of the consumers.--

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Which is a completely moot point considering the edited character is an actual black character. Mr Popo is nothing like him.

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I suppose it would depend on who you ask, and what the content of your email was, and whether or not they want to answer.--

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I propose we change the name of the article back to 4Kids Entertainment, that's the more well-known name for the company.

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Well, I live in NY, which is where their headquarters is. I could just go there on someone's behalf (if I can find it).--

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You know, I never thought of it that way. So technically, saying it's cancelled is still original research. *moves back*

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Sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking to change here. I appear to have misunderstood your objection to the caption. --

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Well, ANN is actually considered fairly reliable as a source for anime-related things, but I do get what you're saying.

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as if it would be if aimed toward the YA market. Besides, I can tell you that the average 16-25 year old who has even

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Since Saban has accquired 4Kids and sold Yu-Gi-oh to Konami is Saban planning to shut down 4Kids and fully merge it?

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Knowledge is not a soapbox. Please limit your discussions to improving the article, etc, not the article's subject.

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Yep! Perfect wording. It's my inability to word things as well as that which prevents me from editing articles. ;)

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you have people like me, who only find it annoying when the changes are, indeed, pointless or slightly offensive.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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on the talk page of the particular vandal. If this article is vandalised a lot by a particular vandal, we go to

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Well, I think that by referring to the critics as primarily "anime fans" already implies...certain attributes.--

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Their source is just something on ToonZone talking about an e-mail, and Knowledge is not for original research.

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I just placed a real move request to move the page back to the original name, in case you’re still interested.

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I agree with Jezebel Parks about the definition of "young adult" and do agree on the "correct" definition of

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No original research. Unless you have notable and verifiable sources for this, it shouldn't be included. --

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2009, implying that the video player will take full effect then, possibly no longer being in beta testing."

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I think the goat.se image has crossed the line. As a devil's advocate, I propose immediate semi-protection.

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Umm I think that Swastika vandalism has gone over the edge right there, I propose immediate semiprotection.

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about 4kids' changes. I believe these can be used in this article instead, as I dont see a mention of them:

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Send them some petrol bombs, and when they get to hell, tell them to tell them that The Centurion sent them.

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http://cartoonelectro.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/starting-jan-3-2009-more-infomercials-and-local-news-on-fox/

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Just keep watch, and if a wide level of vandalism occurs from multiple users, then be ready to take it to

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on Knowledge, it will say that it is between the ages of 18-25, while on google the definition is 16-25.

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Why on properties that shows the cartoons they have on the 4kids website why is one piece remove on there?

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If we apply the other portion of your "we should delete this" comment, there should not be an article on

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No. It says "blackface is viewed as racially offensive in the United States". You may not like it but

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they've never mentioned 4Kids. Whoever inserted this part into the article must have misinterpreted it.

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Give evidence that it is. Can you also provide evidence that they have a tradition of using blackface?

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That never happened to my knowledge. If it did, I imagine it would have gathered a ton of attention.--

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I recently saw two cases of vandalism to this article I think it is wise to semi-protect this article.

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How do I can contact 4 kids entertainment so that I can get a response from what 4 kids email easier?

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I'm sure anime fans are a great bunch of people, I'm one myself, but point being its a niche market.--

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I am aware of this source - it appears to be the only public biography. However, it's not very good

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Is it really cancelled? I thought they were going to start airing new episodes again on Toonami.--

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just get a life and do something that won't make them vandalize Knowledge? Seems that people like

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I think that, now with the company broken and closed, this proposal is totally valid and have my

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Kudos to you, Dreaded Walrus. Keep a sense of civility, everyone. Don't descend to their level.

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Hello, I wanted to ask a question.. Do you know why 4kids remove refrences to Japanese culture.

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Reorganized the entire section, primarily for logical reasons, but also to improve readability.

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less work if we removed the this section and put the article on indefinite semi-protection.

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Someone's vulgarised the title...but nevertheless, it seems to suit them more than "4Kids".

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I still feel that the critisim section is not 100% neutral and that more could be done (

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Who the *bleep* cares if it's biased!?We ALL hate 4Kids, c'mon, someone prove me wrong.

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I heard that when they did the national anthem on 4Kids, it cause a massive outrage

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Executive Vice President of Sales, Marketing & Promotions, Fox Box 4Kids Ad Sales

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I'll be watch out for her, the 4Kids fanfag. His/her name's goes by Tammy New born.

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I told you! The moment we lift semi-protection, those Otakus start flooding back in!

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batch of episodes were to show good ratings on Toonami then they undoubtedly will.--

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Certainly agree, as I searched "young adults" on 4Kidsentertainment.com via google

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Yeah but the US is going to run out of episodes when they air English episode 104.

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Where's the racism? I think you're taking something blown out of proportion here.

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I just took this out: Let the following facts be submitted to the candid world of

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So you're saying its actually racist of them to use a black person in an anime?

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Please limit your discussion to the article, not the article's general subject.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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sure have contributed to the increase of vandalism to Knowledge lately, huh? --

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I looked and the RAF thing seems alright.--Hailey 04:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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has led to many successes for the Company, including Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh!

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Has this quote caused any reaction from any news sources? Anyone at all?--

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Blackface is an easily identifiable style. Anyone can recognize it. Use

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Well, that is their problem, so we just have to be vigilant for vandalism.

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So the series hasn't actually been terminated by any television network.--

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Read our own article on the subject. There's two paragraphs about it. --

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They still haven't replied to me, so frankly, don't hold your breath. --

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instead. That article needs some TLC, but it's really not relevant for

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is offensive to an American audience, this isn't the place to do so. --

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I propose that this article be removed of the controversity section.

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http://www.cartoonbrew.com/tv/fox-dumps-cartoons-for-infomercials.html

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http://mrc.org/BozellColumns/entertainmentcolumn/2006/col20060303.asp

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originally made to be racist without coming to their own conclusion.

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the "selected critism" and "selected edits". These really should go.

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Can we make a separate article on the infamous 4Kids national anthem

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When did they say they bougth 4kids? You two are plain and simple.(

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Now 4Kids is on the OTCBB. Here's hoping for a longer downfall. :D

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http://nerddads.com/4kids-killed-the-saturday-morning-cartoon-star/

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http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/062006/opl_3080719.shtml

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controversy should be noted, and thus not removed in my opinion.--

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Why don't YOU send them an email and see what their response is?

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That's simply not true. It's meant to imitate the skin color of

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One of the 4Kids columns is knocked down, but one still remains.

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Mr. Popo was actually completely black. As in the color black.

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TGS = 4Kids: The Game Station (Fox)/CW = The CW 4Kids (The CW)

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Aaand, it's been protected for two weeks, so you're safe. :) --

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is a famous example of this kind of racist imagery in film. --

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I edited it to let the fact that PTC's study criticized the

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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on the subject. You're being disruptive simply to make a

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Yes, I should clairfy that. It's confusing, currently. --

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What is Alfred R.Kahn 4 kids email address to contact him?

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thats proberly for the best they kind of ruined One Piece

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I see POV and language issues. At least He's specific.

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which can range from brown to coal black. In fact,

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