Talk:CBD and South East Light Rail

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that we will have similar names for all light rail lines in Sydney. These names are by which both the line and services will be known to potential users who will read the article and not the current name which was only used during the development stages of the project. Then today another editor reverted all the work done, back to the name it has now. It is strongly recommended that the rename which took place yesterday should again proceed.

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show up that the Govt was effectively denying the existence or refusing to provide the underlying assumptions, business case, traffic modelling, cost/benefit analysis, capacity modelling for the project. To confirm what I am saying is correct, here is the link to the index of the documents produced,

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This is going to be a complex project. History tells us that there will very likely be delays, cost over runs and other problems. There is no problem in reporting these, but it needs to be done in an objective, big picture manner, we don't need to know that a station was moved 2 metres to the left to

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In these future operations (at least 10 years after opening) during the peak hour there is potential capacity to increase to enable the movement of up to 8,620 passengers per hour (18.5 LRVs per hour each carrying up to 466 passengers). This would represent an increase of approximately 20 per cent in

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The Govt is putting out much spin and I am attempting to provide a neutral POV balancing the misleading claims with factual, verifiable information. For example there is a TfNSW document out, a glossy, called Summary of Business Case. To create a summary you need to first have a business case. The

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The information that was provided previously (that I corrected or am attempting to correct) was false and pure spin not substance. Accuracy is supposed to be the aim for any page on Knowledge (XXG). Identifying a linkage to a political bias/connection is to attempt to provide some support to refute

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Any person who is a paid employee or consultant to the project is barred from editing due to conflict of interest. Similarly so are workers for Political Parties. This should bar at least one of the frequent deleters if not two. A giveaway is that one of the frequent deleters' main contribution to

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Your pejorative criticism of this as 'fancraft' is a gross assumption. It's hard to tell if you think people who revert your deletions are something like train spotters, or you simply can't find a more factual basis for criticism. I'm just a commuter who has found pertinent information on this page.

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Regarding your first question, no I am not advocating for a List of Buses in Sydney article, I don't know where you came up with that. Secondly, this is a light rail article not a bus route article. If people wanted to know which bus routes are affected, they could just read the link provided in the

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What do you mean by 'low level user', one who has made a small number of edits? So a 'high level user' is some how better?? You have made thousands of edits but they are mostly unilateral deletions, with no dialog via talk pages. It's an unusual pattern of activity and not the more collaborative and

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As a Sydney resident and user of these bus services, I find the list of proposed route changes very relevant to this article. The information impacts many commuters and is not easily obtainable from other sources. Struggle to see how you can have much understanding of or connections to this topic if

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That was the issue none of the major document requested in the 1st call for papers was ever provided. There were two boxes that only MPs could look at and they were confidential. Once they looked at them they could not relay the contents to the public other than by issuing a 2nd call for papers to

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That said, the article seems to be going down the path of recording what was originally proposed, then changed and then changed again. Understandable as it evolves, but at some point the article will need to be rewritten to reflect what actually is happening rather than what was going to happen, but

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outlines very well the reasons we should avoid "criticism" sections. Any criticisms should be worked into more general sections. In this case I see no reason why both support and opposition should not be covered in a single "Reception" section, but the laundry list above is very much over-exhaustive

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As a user of these bus services, and a long term resident of Sydney, it's axiomatic I have good knowledge of the topic and am a consumer of this information. Of course anyone can edit any page but without first hand experience of the topic, or an effort to understand it, the quality of that edit is

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BTW - I am and have never been a member of any political party - I am a wholesale fund manager who has invested in or rejected infrastructure projects since 1986. When the project was first mooted and some info put in writing I contact TfNSW and asked for clarification of some apparently incorrect

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The expansion of light rail will transform Sydney and provide a step change in our city’s public transport capability, reliability and capacity. A step change in the capacity of the transport system is required to address these problems and facilitate economic growth. Light rail has been identified

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which is the equivalent of this article for the other light rail service. When that was created it was decided that there would only be one article to cover both the line and the services on the line. Hence it is believed that as normal procedure this article should be renamed to the Lines name so

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This action by the bureaucrats is very similar to what the State Auditor General criticised harshly in the Investigation into the WestConnex Project, released in Dec 2014. Claims made with no substantiation provided nor independent verification sought. I had a meeting with the WestConnex team in

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there is a pdf shown at the bottom of the page which is the index to the papers. I went through all the boxes after going through the index in the hope it was just a mistake of indexing. None of the documents were in the public boxes. In the Legislative Council during the 2nd call several upper

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Wholesale deletions of thousands of characters with no explanation or an explanation that bears no resemblance to the deletion made, repeated deletion of any references to original project official public reports that disprove claims made (& recorded in the article) as well as (for some of the

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Don't think their is any real evidence of any contributing editors running political interference, article appears to be an unbiased account of the project to date. While it is fair to mention the shortcomings of the project, we need to avoid all the NIMBY stuff that inevitably surfaces during the

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that is introducing politics to the article, given his stated grievances with parts of the project. The editor has some concerns with the project and has not been able to gain a satisfactory answer from TfNSW, which is fine, but Wiki isn't the forum to name and shame to try and get an answer. The

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Ms Berejiklian said the CBD and South East Light Rail network will transform public transport in Sydney by providing modern and reliable services for customers, boosting the economy and cutting crippling congestion in the city. “The green light from planning means we can roll out longer light

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voted for a Standing Order 52 "call for papers" compelling the State Government to produce all documents and recorded communications relating to the project. Detailed financial modelling, analysis, feasibility studies and detailed cost/benefit material was not released. A second Standing Order 52

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The material I have introduced is mostly taken from the actual TfNSW or Dept of Planning & Environment documents and is used to replace the news articles based on straight copying of media releases that have no factual basis to the claims made. That would appear to be in agreement with your

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Some comments on February 2015 edit-warring: This and any page is supposed to represent a balanced presentation of a topic - not just the positives. The CBD & South East Light Rail Modifications Report 1 December 2014 was required to be released, put on public display and public submissions

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doesn’t actually cover the L1 Line around the part of the line that loops around Belmore Park into Central and maybe the on-street section (I’m not sure), as that was built for and after the conversion to passenger light rail. If this article (which describes both the service and physical line)

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Changing information that is accurate, concise and not misleading - is not acceptable. Simply copying what a glossy brochure put out in spin terms does not meet the requirements of Knowledge (XXG) (such as Gareth's changes to the 20 bus routes to be eliminated between Circular Quay/Central and

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This paragraph adds nothing to the article. It turned out to be a wild goose chase, nothing came out of it, so best to leave out. Obviously there are politics at play as with all major infrastructure projects, but Its nitty griity, go nowhere stuff like this that bogs the article down and will

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Politicians often tell porky pies, are economical with the truth or manipulate facts to their advantage...everybody is across that, so need to go on about it here. Ironically it appears that a newly arrived editor pointing the figure at other editors for having political agendas, is the one

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You appear to be deleting content from hundreds of pages per month and timestamps frequently show very short edit durations, often a page every minute or so. This indicates a mostly cursory and scatter gun approach to editing. And not the extra level of activity needed as pointed out

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You state this is an overly detailed list of bus routes, yet, it is only a table of 20 rows from a page of 71 kBytes. It is also only displayed via a 'show' button, so there is in fact no space overhead from the initial page view, but detail is there for those who want to drill

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The government may be obfuscating or being economical with the truth, but until such time as it is reported by credible independent sources there is no place for it here. Ironically it is the editor who is pointing the finger at other for being 'apparent political apparatchiks'

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Light rail will have the potential to add high capacity special event services for major events. Customers travelling to the Sydney Cricket Ground, Sydney Football Stadium and the Entertainment Quarter can expect a highly reliable "turn up and go” service from Central

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without the rest and each of such uses will be allocated the same reference number. In fact a bot (Yobot) has gone through the article tonight and combined a number of your references in such a way. I have suppressed the creation of references on this post.

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Response to Drovers Wife - None of this is original research - it consists of TfNSW and Dept of Planning and Environment documents. So you agree it can go in the article then as it is citable sources not original research. Thank you. Please obey wikipedia

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by another editor of which I was very supportive and assisted by changing a number of templates and also changing the name in a number of articles which still needed updating in any case for the opening of this light rail services. In the case of the

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No, it was actually the railway from the Powerhouse Museum to Central via Hay Street that was built in the 1990s. The railway through Pyrmont, through Darling Harbour, and all the way to Central via a stretch of railway that still exists underneath

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and needs a major reworking. It needs to be rewritten to reflect what is going to happen, not what was stated, but is now incorrect. Quoting cites that contradict one another with soundbites is of no value and just bamboozles. Likewise endless

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for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists. Please leave this template in place to link the article histories and preserve this attribution. The former page's talk page can be accessed at

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Is there an easy way to cite the same source repeatedly other than using copy/paste? Often the source is cited in a different section so it is not so straight forward to copy/paste. Is there a short form way to use a previous reference?

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I recently removed content on 12 April relating to a list of bus route changes which I don't feel should belong in the article. This is an overly detailed list and doesn't align with the standard of other mass transit articles such as

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At the end of the day the article is about reporting citeable facts, not interpreting the motivations of the government. If it turned into a major scandal, then yes there would be a strong case to include, but to date it has drawn a

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Knowledge (XXG) has been around 40 favourable bios of Liberal/NP/CP politicians as well as a handful of bios about ALP politicians that either crossed sides to vote with the Liberal Party or were tainted with corruption allegations.

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as per PhilipTerryGraham. When the Carlingford rail line was operational the article was named after the physical railway and the name of the train service pattern T6 Carlingford Line was mentioned within that article. –

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That doesn't address the problems with your edit. It is a long, unsourced and generally questionable list, and criticism sections are specifically discouraged on Knowledge (XXG). This doesn't change if you add puffery

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www.transport.nsw.gov.au/.../131114-CSELR-Business-Case-Summary-... Nov 3, 2013 - TFNSW CSELR BUSINESS CASE SUMMARY. The NSW Government is committed to providing a first class, integrated public transport network ...

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I have gone through and added back some of the citations that did not copy correctly. I had copied as you guessed from the "displayed" as I had ass/u/me'd that you could not edit an old version. Thanks for the tip.

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There are other similar instances, eg "Initially, double length platforms were to be provided at the Central Station and Moore Park stops. These were no longer feasible with the increase of the tram length to 67m."

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The L1 Dulwich Hill Line article is titled “Dulwich Hill Line”. Either title this article with the same consistency to something similar or rename the other article to meet the consistency of this article’s title.

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repeat deleters since 2013) clear bias shown in only other edits made elsewhere on Knowledge (XXG) favourable to one political party and negative to the opposing party - is prima facie evidence of linkage and bias.

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In your opinion. Seeing that the text has stood unchallenged for a number of years, so far it appears you are in the minority. Hopefully we will find out one way or the other as part of this discussion process.

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While the plan is that the trams will operate in pairs, they will actually be individual sets and as operational needs dictate are likely to operate as single units from time to time. It's a bit like the

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What happens when the line opens will in parts be different based on some incremental changes that have already occurred, but as an indicator to what changes were proposed, existing text is fine, so an

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Aug 2014 and if you look at their web site they have scheduled an investigation into the CSELR as a response to the material I provided them. CBD and South East Light Rail Business Case Study (pdf ...

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Considering the "Operation" section of this article currently consists four sentences, I highly doubt there'd be enough content to warrant a split for this article. People have been itching to merge

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short summary. Knowledge (XXG) is not a running source of bus route alteration news, that is for the transport authority in charge (in this case Transport for NSW). The detailed list is not needed.

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The CBD and South East Light Rail will deliver frequent, fast, reliable public services between the CBD, Central and major destinations in the south east including Moore Park and University of NSW.

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You are trying to equate quantity with quality. A user may have only done a small number of edit, but if they are relevant and informed it is more valuable then hundreds of 'drive by deletions'

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https://web.archive.org/web/20150411051000/http://www.transdevsydney.com.au/index.php?mact=NewsManager%2Ccntnt01%2Cfrontend_article_details%2C0&cntnt01article_id=43&cntnt01returnid=101

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http://www.sydneylightrail.transport.nsw.gov.au/Bullseye/handlers/DownloadMediaFile.ashx?file=~%2FBullseye%2Fmedia%2FSydney-Light-Rail%2FEIS%2FCSELR_EIS_Volume_2.pdf%3Fext%3D.pdf

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The assessment undertaken by TfNSW based the capacity of the light rail service on the provision of up to 8,620 passengers per hour as part of normal operations in future years"

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Around $ 707 million in public transport operational savings, including increased revenues, reduced bus operating costs and efficiencies from integrating with the existing IWLR.

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In addition, I am going to ping some other experienced users who are involved in Sydney's transport. That would probably solve the "I do not trust users with few edits" issue.

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Response to Mo7838 - A call for Papers by a house of Parliament is not a small event comparable to moving a station 2m to the left to avoid a manhole. You are exhibiting bias.

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The aim of the Knowledge (XXG) is to provide a balanced factual information sourced from accurate/reliable citatons not reproduce false material produced by any organisation.

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Environmental and social benefits worth $ 308 million, including a reduction in air and noise pollution, a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions and improvements in health.

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Equally damaging to their credibility is the involvement with the deletion of the page "Captain's Call" which detailed the Prime Minister's self-referenced solo decisions.

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The majority of the economic benefits ($ 2.2 billion, or 57 per cent) result from public transport benefits related to faster, more comfortable, more reliable journeys.

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And what did this event produce, a smoking gun? No, a series of 'nothing in our files' replies. Something more substantial is going to need to surface for this to fly.

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By creating more sustainable transport choices and development opportunities, the expansion of the light rail network will promote a more sustainable future for Sydney.

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has indicated that there is now some support for the ideas I had years ago that were wholly rejected, so I'd much rather jump back on that bandwagon if I can! Haha! –

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peak capacity against the approved project which would have enabled the movement of up to 7,200 passengers (24 LRVs per hour each carrying up to 300 passengers).

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http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/lc/lctabdoc.nsf/cccc870c6126b1b6ca2571ee000318a4/6e2b81f5c474172fca257cee0023c16a?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,light*,rail*

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https://web.archive.org/web/20130927100041/http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/b2b/projects/CSELR_State_Infrastructure_Application_June_2013.pdf

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article to one about the physical railway. If a requested move proposal pops up on that article's talk page in the event this one fails, be sure to ping me! –

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and this article. As the consensus appears to be that the name here should not be changed, I would then suggest that the L1 article should be changed to

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This should not be relisted but should be closed - see comments on 11 April 2020 below. The replacement move has now been approved and has taken place.

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rail vehicles with more seats for customers and 50 per cent more capacity, allowing us to move up to 13,500 passengers every hour,” Ms Berejiklian said

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A cost-benefit analysis (CBA) of the CBD and South East Light Rail has identified almost $ 4 billion worth of benefits to be generated by the project.

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http://www.transdevsydney.com.au/index.php?mact=NewsManager%2Ccntnt01%2Cfrontend_article_details%2C0&cntnt01article_id=43&cntnt01returnid=101

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Constantly deleting relevant material because it is not a positive for a project shows bias and is directly in conflict with Knowledge (XXG) policy.

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article would be best suited as one that details the L1 service rather than the physical railway it runs on. Fun fact: in 2015, I actually started

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Opposed to the removal. The bus details are an integral part of the development of the light rail and hence should be retained in this article.

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How would you suggest this apparently deliberate hiding of key information on a $ 2.1bn+ project and its impact on the community be discussed?

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deletions made by said individuals (Drovers Wife for example - see Captain's Calls page deletion for another case unconnected with myself).

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Wider economic benefits worth $ 222 million, including the sustainability benefits associated with improved urban renewal opportunities.

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Howdy all. Are we able to source an 'approved' version of the L2 logo for use on this page and elsewhere, as currently exists with the

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The edit was removed twice by user @Teraplane then once more by @Pony098, two low level users. In an edit summary Teraplane mentioned

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Knowledge (XXG) prefers and places more value on secondary sources over primary documents. You may want to familiarise yourself with

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called for as the 10 changes were EACH deemed significant and unable to be waved through unlike over 100 earlier project variations.

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

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In fact it is strongly recommended that the full details of a reference NOT be repeated - this is achieved by <ref name=abc: -->

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which currently redirects to Dulwich Hill Line, as mentioned by Fork99. This may also overcome some objections by Marcnut1996.

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My point is that this is trivial information that does not require the amount of detail that has been included in the article.

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A major element of the CBD and South East Light Rail project is the creation of a new Pedestrian Zone on George Street.

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ultimately be need to be written out. A collection of 'nothing to see here' letters from departments adds no value.

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where abc can be any value. On second or subsequent uses of the same reference, define it as <ref name=abc/: -->

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I do agree that the section needs reworking and perhaps should be divided up in a similar fashion to "Bus Changes"

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numbers they put out. I'm still waiting over two years later for explanation of the factually incorrect numbers.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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The article needs to focus on what has, or based on statements made from decision makers, is likely to happen.

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Road users with benefits worth $ 264 million from decongestion, operating savings and road safety improvements.

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So naturally, when it is summarily deleted with no prior discussion on talk, I feel the need to correct this.

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Attempts to talk with the deleters have not been responded to which also suggests bias/conflict of interest.

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I thought the same thing when I read the article text. Everything asked for was provided. What's the issue?

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continues to be called CBD and South East Light Rail, then I think it would make sense to rename the other

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My main aim for the name change was to get consistency between the names for the L1 article now called

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It would be quite easy for anyone to balance the criticisms with positives. The light rail website

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into one about the Rozelle / Darling Harbour branch of the goods railway years ago in a series of

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before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template

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as it is, so I don't have high hopes for a similarly-sized article about these two services. –

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The Government's response on 3 December 2014 was to declare that none of the documents existed.

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Journey time savings and amenity improvements worth an estimated $ 333 million for pedestrians.

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Light rail vehicles on this route will be modern, accessible, air-conditioned and comfortable.

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That's fine, but at a bare minimum it also needs to include who the criticism is coming from.

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So let's hear from some other users, ideally some with more experience than 74 edits.

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for deletion, are you now advocating the creation of a Bus routes in Sydney article?

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construction of infrastructure, and likewise comments of the pro-lobby talking it up.

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Looks like Fleet Lists is on holiday and Gareth has retired from Knowledge (XXG).

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house MPs stated that none of the documents were contained in the 'MP only boxes'.

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as the consensus is Oppose this should be closed and a replacement to rename the

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to Inner West Light Rail (which covers a bit of both service and physical line).

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source Final SSI 6042 MOD 1 Secretary's Assessment Report_Feb 2015.pdf (5.536 MB)

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and we should only use those that are discussed in multiple reliable sources.

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avoid a manhole, or every time there is a Health & Safety breach etc.

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There isn't even a detailed list of bus routes in Sydney for that matter.

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There isn't even a detailed list of bus routes in Sydney for that matter

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introducing such material to an article that was reasonably free of it.

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, you can visit the

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and thus not allowed on Knowledge (XXG). It can go in the article when

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If there is notable, referenced criticism, it should be mentioned -

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slower approach that most editors seem to be able to follow.

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In this case, the physical railway line's article is the

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point on 'sound bites' which have zero substantiation.

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