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The article should primarily define and explain courtsiding, not merely state that it is an alleged offence in one country. It has been observed in several countries, so the focus on
Australia/Victoria is unwarranted. Futhermore no evidence has been supplied to suggest that it constitutes an offence
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as it violates WP:BLP in that it makes unfounded accusations against me (Steve High, CEO of
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As far as I am aware, the only article to state categorically that it is illegal in
Australia is the first Daily Telegraph you referenced. This article was posted on the 15th January and was removed on the 16th January, as a result of a request from Sporting Data. The conversation is on
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I feel that some explanation is needed in the article, of why anyone should consider this should be an offense. Naively, it seems that if a betting company is willing to take bets on the outcome of an event that is already over, it should take the consequences.
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Australia, especially now that charges against Dobson have been dropped. The article focused too much on the individual case of Dobson, and not enough on the general practice of, and reasons for courtsiding. I have rewritten it in a far more balanced way.
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Courtsiding is only an issue because of the 10-second delay. If television companies transmitted sporting events live, with no delay, there would be no motivation for courtsiding. So it is relevant to know why the delay is there. Is it because of
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Knowledge article that The Daily Telegraph was erroneous and, given the facts presented, it is hard to argue that it is not. To make the claim that courtsiding is a crime in Victoria requires more than this erroneous
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The article already says that it is illegal as it is "engaging in conduct that would corrupt a betting outcome". Eachway needs to strongly source the fact that it is not a crime, given that each and every source we have at present says it is.
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Melbourne with regards to exploiting the gap between events and updating odds, and the man was arrested, but the case was dropped. The article doesn't say that it is illegal, it says it is an 'alleged crime'.
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With regard to my comment which started this thread: I see now that the man arrested for courtsiding was in fact the agent of a betting company. This does not affect the fact that his action was not an offense under any legislation.
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The evidence, in the article and its sources, is that courtsiding is not and never has been a criminal offence, in
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as part of a campaign against me personally and against
Betfair more generally. This user has subsequently been banned for sockpuppetry and is not above posing as a Betfair employee to paint the company in a bad light.
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Thank you for clarifying your involvement, it simplifies things greately when people state their relation to the subject. I hope the article is better now. Thanks,
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