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anti-Semtism is still strong in Spain. As one astute observer of our days Iberia (he is not Jewish) points out Portuguese a notion that they has an Jewish ancestry is a widely accepted fact, but Spaniards are in denial. I can cite long list of negative opinions about Spanish works and they expressed by non-Spanish historians who are not Jews or Muslims. Your argument that Pero de Ayala was not converso because he led Old Christian party is ignorant. There is a long list of leaders of so called Old Christians who were of converso descent. Among them infamous PACHECO who led anti-Converso Old Christian party under last Castilian kings before rise of Isabella. In genealogical terms there were not truly Old Christians in Iberia, the category was social, created by Spanish society. It is also widely claimed by many scholars now that Spanish society with its obsession about the purity of the blood was the first racist society in the world. Hence all the distortion of family origins. Once mostly nobility and city middle class were considered of converso origin or admixture. Recently researchers discover that converso widely intermixed also with the peasants. Lope de Vega who was considered in his time and until now a "pure Spaniard" provides the celebraty case. Another big problem with Spanish genealogy is that Spaniards in drastic difference with the rest of Europe trace family line both by male and female lines, accordingly, a man can marry into an old family and his children can claim the name of this family, so it is difficult to trace the family trees as we accustomed to do it by the male lines. An original family can be dead in male lines but their female descendants can claim name of the family and its entire family tree including its origin. BGH.
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descent ever bore the name "de Guzman", nor was Gomez Perez "Mayor" but alguacil mayor - the civic officer in charge of law enforcement, the bailiff.) As to his conclusion that Horabuena was a conversa, his evidence is slight, and he is in disagreement with numerous other published sources which show her to have been of Christian parentage (including some of the cites given later in the article) - in other words, the entire thing may well be bogus. This type of issue could be discussed, if it was relevant to the article, but it is not. The patterns of descent are not unique to conversos. George Bush and all the others would descend from these Spanish noblemen and -women whether they are conversos or not, so this expedition into 800-year genealogies is not directly relevant to the subject of the article. Just as we do not show George Bush as a descendant of Normans on the Norman page, of Bretons on the Breton page, of Poles on the Poland page, etc., it is out of place here. Further, George Bush has about 4.2 billion ancestral lines to the time in question. That one of these may lead to someone who may once have been Jewish is hardly noteworthy, and is of no significance to the individuals in question (one does not understand more about either conversos or GWB by knowing that one may descend from the other). Finally, it is quite excessive. The list of people said to descend from this one woman who may have been a conversa is over twice as long as the entire description of what a converso/a is: the historical relevance of conversos is overwhelmed by this historical irrelevancy. This listing in no way makes the question of what is a converso more clear, and as such it has no place in an article on conversos.
1546:" . This, again, isn´t exactly true. Marranos wasn´t a term used for jews that didn´t convert. The term is derogatory, probably prior to the edict of Granada, and is used for jews and for conversos of jewish origin, not for jews who didn´t convert per se. It was also used to refer to the Spanish in the rest of Europe, because they had cohabitated with the jews for so long that they were asumed to be "poluted". It is slang, so the definition is hard to pinpoint, but it certainly didn´t refer to jews who didn´t conver especifically. It mainly refers to jews, and it was used on conversos, or on anyone who was presumed to have jewish origin, as a way to remark their jew origin. It was used, with some variations, as far as in Germany, but there the meaning changed to indicate "Spaniard", or Mediterranean in general terms. It is the closest to a racial term of the entire set (judeizante, converso, Anusim, New christian, etc...). As for "ocnversos who didn´t embrace catholicism" but still attempted to live in Spain permanently, they weren´t called anything, they were expelled. 1211:
contemporary scholars. I am in part of Valencian and Basque family background myself and I studied this issue in depths. Please do not engage in demagoguery comparing a few good apples with the rotten garden: highly reliable and internationally acclaimed as a source Lope de Barrientos is not in the same league with authors of forgeries. It is said a lot of about state of contemporary Spanish scholarship that converso background of great painter Velasquez was discovered recently by foreign researchers, including Japanese, not by Spaniards who gave him old aristocratic family tree. Once again, negative opinion about the state of Spanish family research and genealogy is not mine. Even if you argue agains such opinion, read for example Spanish biographies of Isabella and Ferdinand and try to find there any mentioning of their Jewish converso ancestry. You will not. But reference to it is almost a staple in foreign works about Isabella and Ferdinand. It is very sad that a capital work on conversos was wriiten by an American scholar Roth, not by a Spaniard.BGH.
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Valladolid, according to Lope de Barrientos", so clearly the Bishop thought they were conversos, but elsewhere, Roth himself says of Pedro Lopez de Ayala that he "headed the 'old Christian' cause" against the conversos (p. 103). (This 'Old Christian' champion, Pedro Lopez de Ayala, was brother of the Ines de Ayala of the Wiki article.) These are in apparent conflict, but that is not a unique situation in Roth's work - he says of Fernan Perez de Guzman that he was "a non-converso writer who spoke out on behalf of conversos" (p. 162), yet Fernan Perez de Guzman was a male-line great-great-grandson of Gome Perez and Horabuena. As to the Ayala, we do have an independent source, a genealogy of the family, written by the father of Pedro Lopes and Ines de Ayala. This traces the Ayala ancestry, name by name for numerous generations to obscure Basque-derived landholders on the Castile/Navarre borderlands, with not a rabbi in sight. Of course, next comes the argument that it is all a cover-up by the Ayalas, but that misses the bigger point.
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never says that Gome himself was Jewish. Further, his conclusion that the name Horabuena is almost exclusively Jewish is unsourced and flies in the face of its documented use by Toledo Christian families, and by published sources that show her to be daughter of a Christian, Gutierre Armildez. Third, he relates that a son of this couple, an officer to the crown, interacted with a Jew in service to the same king. That hardly adds to the argument. Finally, he says that because Fernan Alvarez de Toledo was nephew of Gutierre Gomez and also of Inigo Lopez de Mendoza this further supports it. The logic of this escapes me. The whole argument is not very strong. On p. 333 he gives a list of names of converso families, but none of these names relate to Gome Perez or his wife. What am I missing on these cited pages?
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did so in France and the germanic states, which was a good way of keeping population there from revolting too. It is found in the same sources that say that the comuneros were guided by witches and things along those lines. You can still find this idea in some sources (like the one cited, I assume, even though I don´t think a book about the inquisition in Mexico can go too in depth regarding the comuneros revolt), but it is higly disputed. I cite, but I can probably find more. This has been a hot topic in the last 20 years.
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begin to add research and information specifically about Italian Conversos. I want to elaborate on the life of Jews who converted to Roman Catholicism in Spain and Portugal, who then immigrated to respective Italian cities in search for better life. All of the following information is derived from Renee Levine Melammed's book, A Question of Identity: Iberian Conversos in Historical Perspective, published by Oxford University Press in 2004.
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Christians of Spain could be certain that he is not a descendant of those conversos?" (p. 93). The Bishop, in one sentence and in a more relevant context, has made the same point as all those lines of names are apparently meant to convey. With insight like this, it is too bad all Roth is being used for is as capstone to a genealogical distraction.
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The third part will discuss the history of conversos in Venice. Venetian leaders were convinced to openly accept conversos becoming Jews because they recognized that if conversos were not welcome in Venice, they would take their successful trades to the country’s economic rival of Turkey. I will then
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I am leaving this discussion with my advise to Agricolae: when you read books which you do not like, try do not distort what their authors said, like you did with Roth. At beginning I thought you have problem with English language so you failed to understand and misquote the book. The problem is
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We can debate it all until we are blue in the face, and when we are done, we won't know anything more about conversos, except that some became so integrated into Spanish society that you can't tell who is and who is not a converso, which renders the distinction meaningless for these families. This is
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Umm. Here is my advice to BGH - it is OK to disagree without accusing those who hold the opposing viewpoint of acting in bad faith. "My view, or the wrong one" is not a very productive approach to consensus building. As to my world view, in this context it is that the content of Wiki articles should
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The article as it stands has numerous problems. Roth does not say what the article credits him as saying. Specifically, the first person mentioned, "Gome Perez" is NOT said by Roth to be a converso, nor are the Ayala, which Roth calls "Old Castillian". (And while we are at it, nobody in the entire
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While I agree with your comment rejecting the statement that "the majority converted" following the 1391 pogroms (some estimates say about one third did, e.g., Beinart 1992, "The Great Conversion"), regarding your assertion that they were localized and brief, can you define your terms? Iirc, spread
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That issimply not true. Those riots were extrenely localized and brieph. Mostof Spain was unaffected, and most ofthe jews in the area didn´t convert but moved to Portugal to return after the civil war fueling it was over (check Peter the Cruel of Spain). Not to mention that "the majority of jews of
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I believe this Knowledge page should begin to expand on specific groups of Conversos who left Spain and Portugal to live in different parts of Europe, and to further elaborate on what their lives were like in those regions. A a new section should be created called “Conversos by Country,” and I will
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Oppose. The New Christian merger gained no consensus previously, for good reason. Marranos also has a narrower meaning, and the content would be harder to merge. I suggest that if you want any kind of merger, you will have to mock up a page of what it might look like merged, and propose that as the
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Yeah, didn't see that coming - the great Christian cover-up. Certainly, one can debate the work of Fernan Perez de Ayala (although a blanket dismissal of everything written in Spain is hardly supportable - rather should not all sources be evaluated independently based on their own merits?). One can
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My response simple: no serious scholar outside of Spain take seriously genealogical works written in Spain whether they from the Middle Ages or from contemporary historians. The social pressure to purify their ancestry from Jewish or Muslim forebears was enormous during the older times and crude
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That is likely to be not true either. It seems to have been a myth spread by the monarchy itself to justify it´s position. The moanrchy did create a lot of those, including that the COmuneros were influenced by demons and corrupt priests.This ideas didn´t go too far in Spain itself (initially) but
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I want to elaborate on examples of how Conversos were looked at with suspicion and harassment both in their old and new communities. I will begin my excerpt by talking about the general scope of Jews in Italy (30,000 Jews and 5,000-8,000 Conversos), then proceed to explain the life of Conversos in
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of Toledo, and his wife Horabuena (Ora buena). That name is so exclusively Jewish in medieval Spain, and particularly Toledo, that there can be little doubt as to her background. The archbiship's brother, interestingly, was Fernand Gomez, chancellor of Fernando IV and frequently involved with the
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Only a fool would dismiss Emilio Saez Sanchez just because Arturo Garcia Carraffa was also from Spain. We have the duality, though - those Spanish writers who disagree are purveyors of forgeries, those who agree are the "few good apples". Convenient. Anyhow, this whole obsession about who does or
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Note several things - first, his source says that JUAN Gomez was a converso, son of a Jew, but then decides this may have been someone with a different name, GUTIERRE Gomez. That is the first problem. Second, he says that Gome Perez married Horabuena and HER name is almost exclusively Jewish. He
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the same in all regions, and should be sublisted separately in each region: intermunicipal entities are sometimes larger and split by subregions (e.g. the Metropolitan Area of Lisbon has two subregions), some intercommunal entities are containing only parts of subregions. All subregions should be
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The second part of the Italian Conversos hader will discuss conversos in Ancona who faced difficult lives living under the pope, and eventually fled to Ferrara in 1555. Portuguese conversos in Ancona were falsely misled that they were welcome to Ancona, by openly converting back to Judaism, then
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You made good point, every Spanish authors shall be judged according to his/her own merit Unfortunately and it is not mine opinion but of the most respected international scholars who are English, WASP Americans or Germans, that Spanish writings on genealogy have little value, even including
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As to Ayala, he does, in app. C, include the name in a list entitled "Converso families named by Lope de Barrientos and Fernan Diaz de Toledo." Here (in the Mendoza entry, which I missed) he states that "the Mendozas and Ayalas all descend from a certain 'Rabbi Solomon' and his son don Isaque de
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Since it is not the job of Wiki editors to determine "truth", such issues would normally be discussed in the relevant article, but that would only compound the problem in this case. This whole Gomez genealogical diversion is not worth debating in the converso article, because, true or false, it
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For the history of the city of Ferrara, I will ensure to reference what the Lettres Patentes that were issued by Duke Ercole II meant (in order to provide better background knowledge), and I will further explain why the plague in this city made many conversos relocate to Venice. Following this
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Roth spends 400 pages talking about conversos and their role in their contemporary Spanish society - he even addresses your issue of interest, relating how a 15th century Bishop raised the issue that, "since virtually all of the Jews in Visigothic Spain converted to Christianity, who among the
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Sorry to re-open this, as i did with the "New Christian" category. I´m bringing it up here instead of edditing because I learned that this seems to be more controversial than I expected it to be. I ping the users I saw debate on the issue about new Christians to make sure things go smooth.
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I would suggest the use of a different word from "pogrom" to denote persecution of the Jews of Iberia. Pogrom is an Eastern European word. I currently live in Lisbon, Portugal and I am studying this subject. I will attempt to find out what the word used here in Portugal would be. John B.
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new merged article. But you would be taking a big risk in making that extensive edit, as it might not gain traction. Another possibility would be to structure each of the articles into sections that could be easily transcluded into the various entries that might share them.
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Jew Samuel who was in the service of that king. It happens that Fernan Alvarez de Toledo (d. ca. 1460), the conde de Alba, was a nephew of Gutierre Gomez and also of Inigo Lopez de Mendoza, which further supports the possibility of the converso background of the archbishop."
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to about 70 other cities in Spain, taking place over many months in different locales. Many fled within Spain, or as you point out, west to Portugal. In particular, you cite Diago (2003) as support for your claims but I see no support there. I searched the source (
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being overturned by the succeeding pope, Pope Paul IV. The conversos in Ancona faed traumatic emotional damage, and caused much skepticism among them when the duke granted a charter of residence in return for the conversos building up the city’s economy in 1558.
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as crypto-Judaism. The term remained pejorative through the 15th-17th c., approximately, then became adopted in European historiography without the pejorative connotations. The whole article needs a "Terminology and related terms" section; something similar to
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The subject of these two articles is the same, it's simply a matter of having two terms for the same thing. Also note that in both w:pt and w:es there is only one article under the title "New Christian", and "Converso" is just a redirect to "New Christian".
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goes even further and attempts to prove that the second-generation conversos retained almost none of Jewish practices. The article should describe the eventual assimilation of conversos and the existence of different opinions on how quickly it happened.
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also debate the work of Lope de Barrientos (did you notice this was also written in Spain, so equally worthless by your criterion, right?). He was no more pure a source, free from criticism, than Perez de Ayala, he just had the opposite position.
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With that attitude categories become less useful. Why not make sure that the European History, History, Jewish and other categories are included? With using subcategories the categories become far less cluttered and far more useful.
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a point that can be made with a single sentence, (perhaps the Bishop's own) without the tedious listing dozens of Americans who may or may not descend from someone who we can't tell for certain was or wasn't a converso in any line.
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In the three wikipedia articles, none of this is clear and is very confusing for a reader - this needs to be tidied up. So my suggestion is (1) merge the articles, and (2) provide a better comparative explanation of the names.
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Now, unless someone can provide a better rationale than 'world peace' for including Oliver Hazard Perry in an article on Jews and Muslims who adopted Christianity in medieval Spain, I am going to delete the whole section.
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Agricolae read the one entitled Conversos, Inquisition, and the Expulsion of the Jews from Spain, University of Wisconsin Press, 1995. Which one did BGH read? As to the pages cited in the Wiki article, pp. 94-95 says,
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information, I will inform readers that Venice slowly became a center for conversos, describe what they did there, and how many of them struggled with their identities between their Christian and Jewish faiths.
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Is the existence of ethnic purity an issue that needs addressed in an article on Jewish conversion in medieval Spain? If racial/ethnic purity is the issue, then there are better places to discuss it, such as
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I wrote this part of article because I think it is important to show how widely descendants of Jewish converso spread even outside of Iberia and former Iberian colonial empires. User: Tracadero, 3.16.07
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statistic subdivisions but real administrative entities, so they should be listed below, probably using a smaller font: we can safely eliminate the subgrouping by type of intermunicipal entity from this
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Again, if sources are needed, I give the RAE dictionary itself,,,. Regarding the use of "marrano" to refer to the Spanish, from the top of my head I remember or the complains of the Papa Alejandro VI.
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Conversos who did not fully or genuinely embrace Catholicism, but continued to practise Judaism in secrecy were referred to as judaizantes ("Judaizers") and pejoratively as marranos ("swine")
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does not have a converso somewhere among their thousands or millions of ancestors is a separate issue from defining and describing what a converso is, which is the purpose of a Wiki article.
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What Roth did Agricolae red? Read his book once again, pp. cited in Wiki's article. Concerning Ayala see Roth's book, Appendix C "Major Converso Families: Ayala, p. 333. User: BGH.
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Claudio CĂ©sar Rizzuto: Conversos, jews and diabolic conspiracy in the Revolt of the Comunidades of Castile, 1520-1521. Cuadernos de Historia ModernaISSN: 0214-4018
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The article claims that conversos continued observing Jewish traditions. This can't be true regarding all the descendants of the actual converts (who are also
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contributes nothing to an understanding of conversos. When you add into it the questionable nature of the root claim, it's inclusion is all the more dubious.
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The airport is not listed as JoĂŁo Paulo II anywhere. The airport's own website calls itself simply Ponta Delgada, and has no mention of JoĂŁo Paulo.
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Ii is important, Pavel, that there is no so called ethnic purity n the world. You never know who your ancestors were, all mixed. User: Fernando.
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Since you appear to have access to these sources, could you please expand them, and include page numbers, please? Also, as a point of
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Our articles' explanations of the boundaries between all these terms is very poor and very unclear. Conversos means "The converted", "
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it is important to show how widely descendants of Jewish converso spread even outside of Iberia and former Iberian colonial empires
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do not appear anywhere in the 46-page article. Did you mean to cite a different article here? Or maybe I missed it.
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term. You have not gained any support, therefore the terms/articles will not be merged at this time. Thank you.
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for expressing my thoughts so eloquently. This really does not ad anything to the Article's subject. Pavel --
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If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page.
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Not familiar with the "fake news", 16th c. version, which you raised, but I'll have to get informed.
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What's wrong with having all relevant links? The article is relevant to all these categories.
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listed explicitly and not assume they are only intermunicipal entities (which accessorily are
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according to this article's definition), at least those who remained in Spain and Portugal.
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The majority of Spain's Jews converted to Christianity as a result of the pogroms in 1391."
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Guzman was a Moore not Hebrew. The Conversos or more Muslim Stop making up History.
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have some relevance to the topic. If this is a problem for you, well, so be it.
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proceed to explain the life of the majority Portuguese conversos in Venice.
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the three specific Italian cities that first openly accepted Conversos.
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which later in academic circles became known as a crypto-Jew, and
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as the Inquisition is beneath both of them? (In fact beneath the
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in this context. Both words are capitalized in English. Thanks,
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good evidence before we say eg George Bush has Jewish ancestors.
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Finally, there isn't complete agreement on the definition of
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is a noun. Using it as an adjective, as you did above, in "
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