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1029:, when you posted that you were going to review the article, there was both joy and trepidation. This GAR was also my first, and I truly did not know what to expect. Thankful and wanting to seize the moment, off I went to the library to pick up my research material. The execution of your review made it easy to get back into the groove. Your advice, which was well taken, certainly added to the improvement of the article and perhaps to the encyclopedia itself. I do hope that you will do it again many more times with others seeking a Good Article Review. It was a pleasure collaborating with you and it is my hope that we can do it again one day! 598: 374: 799: 662: 517: 417: 335: 701:: "Cornwall Electric started its passenger streetcar service on 1 July 1896 using an electric locomotive pulling four cars traveling on what was approximately 4.8 kilometres (3.0 mi) of track, and would purchase an additional two cars in 1897." The only info in the citation is the first date, so I've moved the citation there and marked the rest of the sentence as citation needed. 552: 42: 823: 760: 732: 709: 685: 614: 573: 439: 392: 311: 269: 245: 196: 846: 380:- The citation says he was a "driving force in Cornwall's economic growth." The water rights he acquired with the purchase of the gristmill allowed Cornwall Electric to grow, and expanding the operation to add a woollen mill and a saw mill employed many more, which also benefited Cornwall Electric. He also served as 1075:
Great work on this GA review! One valuable thing that you did is checking some of the sources to see if they support the article content. Checking the sources, which some reviewers unfortunately skip, is essential to detecting issues with verifiability and original research. You did not explicitly
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After sleeping on it, I can't think of anything else to add for the Good Article review, and I'm happy to pass this article!! It indeed well written, verifiable, broad, neutral, stable, and illustrated. I particularly liked the detail about the Cornwall Electric employee who saved the day with his
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Is it OK that two of the citations are a report from Cornwall Electric's parent company, Fortis? This is a primary source. My feeling is that citing this for the numbers about how much electricity Cornwall Electric provides is OK, since any secondary source would cite the same thing. I'm not sure
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article, it says "It overall provides the investor with a product, a branded name and recognition, and a support system." In the case of Cornwall Electric, who is the franchiser and who is the franchisee? The citation just says that Cornwall Electric has cheaper power because it's contracted with
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is a little confusing. Maybe split it up into two sentences? "Ten years would pass, before the town council granted on 28 December 1895, another franchise to the Cornwall Electric Street Railway Company, which incorporated in 1896 to offer the same service, using electrical power instead of horse
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I think it would be good to either remove "who was key to Cornwall's economic growth" here "It was passed on to him by his father Andrew Hodge, who was key to Cornwall's economic growth", or replace it with what Andrew Hodge's specific contribution to Cornwall's economic growth was, to remove
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That's it for my first pass! This is actually my first ever review; if I get any feedback from more experienced Wikipedians about Good Article reviews, I will add more here. Happy to look over it again once this is all addressed, or answer any questions. Good luck!
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I don't understand the relationship between Franchise agreements and the low cost of power in Cornwall, from the last sentence of the lead: "The company has also been granted legislative exemptions by the provincial regulator, while it holds long-term
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Stormont Electric with the necessary permission to operate Cornwall Gas Works, allowing it to manufacture and sell gas for light, power, and heat in the town and township of Cornwall, and to increase the value of its capital stock by $ 50,000."
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there's a quote, but if you read the article cited, the bit that's quoted was actually paraphrased by the author of the article, and not literally said by Ernie Jackson. I think this should be paraphrased instead of
947:, reliance on one secondary source, over others (there are 38 of them), matters not. Citations are only there for verifiability of the material that is included in the article. Also, circling back to the 431:: "An act passed in the provincial legislature of Ontario, provided Stormont Electric with the necessary permission to operate Cornwall Gas Works, allowing it to manufacture and sell gas for light..." 1012:
and added the Good Article tags on the talk page. A bot should come along and give you the Good Article icon, but if it's not working, feel free to ping me to do it manually for you. All the best!
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has some things in future tense that I think should be in past tense, since they refer to past events, e.g. "The two companies would merge in 1905" should be "The two companies merged in 1905"
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752:(CN) purchased the freight operations on 1 April 1971 for $ 430,000." The citation mentions the year but not the date or the dollar amount. I marked this as citation needed. 1009: 565:, "No evidence could be found, indicating that the company had ever started offering its railway service." should say "No evidence could be found to indicate...", if kept. 47: 328:: "Company solicitors also prepared a deed of purchase for the use of the water-power plant in a building on land used for a gristmill, and controlled by David Hodge." 621:- Removed the paragraph. It was chronologically out of order, and the following paragraph covers that it's a new franchise and that electric service is now provided. 80: 276:- Changed this back slightly, as both companies were incorporating at the same time; one was further into the process but neither had yet completed incorporation. 70: 126: 650:
with the municipalities and townships it serves, enabling it to provide electricity consumers with some of the lowest rates in Ontario." Looking at the
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about the donations should be deleted, unless you can find a secondary source for them. The current source is the Cornwall Electric company website.
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didn't actually make a railway, I would suggest that this content be reduced to a sentence, and moved as the first paragraph in the next section
52: 474:, I think there's still a grammar problem here. I think it needs a 'that' added before 'passed', or else its unclear what the subject is (see 107: 410:: "After being in abeyance for several years, the High Court of Justice for Ontario, issued a final order of foreclosure on 13 April 1890." 975:. Let me take some time to do some more reading and think about if there's anything else I missed. I'll get back to you Thursday latest! 99: 692:- Replaced citation (which covers date in service, no. of cars, length of track) and moved it back to the end of the paragraph. 948: 156: 75: 879:, I think I covered everything in your first pass. Please let me know if there is anything I may have missed. Thank you! — 382: 226:. Basically if you ctrl+F "would" you will find a lot of cases where historical events are talked about in future tense. 1085: 386:
of Cornwall which on its own affects the utility and town. It's all context that may be important to the narrative.
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may provide you with a renewed sense of perspective and perhaps the answer you seek. I do hope that helps. —
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Wow, so far this article is beautifully written!! Very nice work. I expect all my comments will be minor things.
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I figured out which of the sources was meant to be the citation for the first sentence and filled that one in.
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I went ahead and changed "was incorporating federally" to "was incorporated federally" in the 3rd paragraph of
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for his unvarnished truth, as well as all the improvements quietly made by other editors. Thank you! —
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I've changed the tense of "provided" to match "allowing" in this sentence in the first paragraph of
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Hello, I'll be reviewing this article. It will probably take me a couple days for the first pass.
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Continuing on... I've finished reading the article and am looking at the citations now
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I've gone ahead and removed the extra comma after "Ontario" in the first paragraph of
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I couldn't find the information in the last sentence of the first paragraph here
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Is it OK that most of the content of this article comes from one source,
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I've gone ahead and removed the extra "and" in the first paragraph of
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Let me know if you find any Knowledge guidelines about these things.
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isn't covered by the citation. I added a citation needed tag.
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bow and arrow during the ice storm. Congratulations :)
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