819:. I think it might well be worth explaining as a footnote in any infobox that these are the details of the autonomous region and were automatically transferred to the new Republic by Article 10 of the declaration of independence - but only those details that are supported that way (I doubt the currency details are). I disagree, however, that the argument that this state never effectively existed is an argument for deleting this page. The state was obviously declared (and therefore justifies the article), it's just that there is no evidence that that declaration was ever given effect. Care must therefore be taken not to imply that it was without a supporting reference. I think particularly the assertion that Spanish rule was restored on the 30th does this, as there is no evidence that Spain ever lost effective control of the territory.
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860:) that details in full how things such as the flag would transition from their use as autonomous subnational to sovereign national flags in the event of an Independence declaration. This was first brought up in the discussion on which flag if any to display in the infobox, but was also previously mentioned. That being said, I agree with many that are hesitant to support the infobox based on genuine questioning of the extent to which the self-proclaimed Catalan Republic was able to govern as its own entity. What we can say with confidence was that this state was unrecognized as said in the infobox, used the Senyera as its flag as seen in the infobox, and per Article 10 recognized the capital to be Barcelona.
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overlapping classes ("not recognising and/or rejecting" and "not recognising but not necessarily rejecting") we are also engaging in mind-reading as to what the position of the statement actually is: where do the
Belgians, for example, actually say that they do not reject Catalan independence? The Venezuelans spoke about "solidarity with the Catalan people", but what does this actually say about recognition? The answer is "nothing". The real answer is that none of them have recognised the Catalan Republic. (EDIT: Interpreting the Hungarian government's statement that Catalonia is purely an internal matter for Spain as a statement of neutrality of some kind is also, umm, a bit dubious).
1520:- the idea that they take no sides is spin from journalists reported in an NRG piece from before the Israeli government's official statement, probably based on off-the-record briefings, but not actually anything that the Israelis have said on the record. Saying that they are in some sense neutral is an interpretation of what they have said which does not appear supported by the source, and anyway has to explain the fact that none of these "not rejecting" countries actually recognises the Catalan Republic.
1587:"the vast majority of them showing a rejection of Catalan independence or defense of Spanish territorial integrity" - Including many of the countries currently coloured Orange. How would you interpret the Hungarian and Israeli government's statements that this is an internal Spanish matter? And Belgium and Taiwan's statements that basically amount to the same thing (as they refer to Catalonia as a Spanish autonomy)? What is the difference between Poland's statement and Hungary's?
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Spanish State has reasserted its control over the country and arguments for a country infobox would be that it is by definition a "government in exile" (A
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Republic or publicly supporting Spain's territorial integrity or the constitutional measures in force. Orange shows those which, while not recognizing the Catalan Republic, have not refused to do so either. Showing Germany and Venezuela-Belgium-Israel-etc in the same colour would seem like if those countries' stances are the same, when they aren't.
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countries at present recognise) merely to please a subset of readers. You may say that this is to emphasise that this is not just a map showing non-recognition, but since that is actually all that it shows now (countries not recognising the
Catalan Republic), as there are no countries recognising the Catalan Republic, that is effectively all that it is.
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1023:. Yes, the Catalan Republic was extremely short lived, but a declaration was technically made. The infobox summarizes key facts for the readers, especially the dates, so there is utility. We should not hurt the ability of readers to most efficiently find information over academic disputes on if a unilateral declaration was sufficient. ----
2075:: There is literally no Catalan Republic beyond the symbolic declaration. It is a duplicate article which adds no value. It was created by over-exicted editors at the time, now needs to be corrected.* Symbolic nature of declaration was also stated by Carme Forcadell, former speaker of Catalan Parliament.
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inherently necessitates that the majority of the article covers two things: 1) the declaration of the state 2) the dissolution of the state. In other related discussions such as our discussion on the infobox, I've cited most of the other
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Well, the big issue here is you think the map has the role of reflecting nuance in government statements, but it doesn't (and probably can't) do that, and hence is inaccurate. Again, the countries coloured orange at present include countries that have made statements little different to those in red.
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As history has shown again and again, self-proclaimed
Catalan states are very often short-lived and this is no exception. Very little time has passed before Spain reintegrates them, but for that short period of time the region regards itself as sovereign nonetheless even as its people may be divided.
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into the "Catalan declaration of independence", but I noticed that most of the article is already duplicated into the target/destination page. As it seems, the whole majority, if not consensus, favors the merge. May you please allow me to redirect "Catalan
Republic (2017)" to that page? I will still
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This was a state that was already functioning basically autonomously already, so when they declared indepenedence for a few hours it was a real independent(albeit unrecognized) state. Also we shouldn't merge this because if Catalonia declares independence in the future and uses these same statistics
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As an example, Hungary said “The Hungarian Government views the declaration of Catalonian independence as a matter of Spanish internal affairs” but is coloured in orange despite this being a fairly unambiguous statement that Hungary does not recognise Catalan independence and views Catalonia as part
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No, it is obviously not the same. Some states have voiced a stance on the Catalan Republic issue, but have refused to expressly reject or refuse to recognize the Catalan Republic. Would you say Venezuela has rejected the Catalan Republic? Israel? Red shows those states either expressly rejecting the
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Under the transitional law approved on 6 September, the most basic elements from the state (flag, coat, anthem or capital) are clear (they would be the same as those of the autonomous community), whereas the infobox would also be useful for listing the most notorious events throughout this period. I
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I'm indifferent on the extent to which Catalonia can be considered a presently existing state and whether or not it can be considered a government in exile. However, I disagree with FOARP's statements because (as previously detailed further in other subsections of this talk page) Catalan legislation
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article, but I will agree with editors that dislike the amount of replicated information. For example, the reactions section appears to be replicated and takes up more space than is due, but merging the article is highly undue. Like other articles on short-lived Catalan states, the very nature of a
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Then again: should we just show the entire map as red? Generally, there's no "neutral" stance in recognition. Either a state recognizes another, or not. So, even those shown in gray wouldn't be recognizing Catalonia. Practice has been, however, to colour states as they actually voice their position
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Equally none of the orange countries has actually recognised the Catalan Republic and many of them refer in their statements to Catalonia being part of Spain (e.g., Belgium, Taiwan, Hungary) or saying that the situation should be resolved in line with the Spanish constitution (e.g., Pakistan). Even
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In truth it appears that there is no real difference between the position of states like Germany and states like Belgium - only the language and the strength with which the non-recognition has been expressed. It would probably be better to simply merge these classes into "States not recognizing the
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Isn't clear that the two classes overlap? A state "not recognizing and/or rejecting" the Catalan Republic (i.e., all of them) can also be a state "voicing a position but neither recognizing nor rejecting the Catalan Republic". The only real distinguisher here is actual refusal to recognise. It also
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I think the big problem here is that there is not, and cannot, be any way of identifying the "dissolution" of this state, which does not appear to have existed beyond the declaration of independence. Attempts at identifying when this state is supposed to have been dissolved all appear to be editor
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Seems fallacious to say it's matter of liking or disliking something, which seems reductive of others opinions in the extreme. The presence of other articles is not justification for this article, the context for other articles is often very different and outcomes (such as formal rebellion being
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If there is a map, recognition is the sensible measure to use. At this time that means that everything should be the same colour (be that red or grey or whatever) except Catalonia. If you feel that this would render the map superfluous or pointless, I wouldn't disagree. The solution would be to
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I mean, what's the point of having such a map when it's obvious no state (even gray ones) has recognized Catalan independence? I thought the purpose of the map was to show those states expressly rejecting independence, yet states painted in orange have not done so, so that's why they were put in a
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The issue is that you think the map has the purpose of showing recognition or non-recognition in a binary manner, when it hasn't. "Fixing it" wouldn't be really a fix, but a change of the map's purpose. And seeing how the alternative you propose is, indeed, to remove the map, then I would say no,
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However, if you propose that we cast off orange based on your reasoning (and that we also remove green from the legend), under the same reasoning we should just extend red to everything. Which just makes the map entirely pointless until (and if) one state actually recognizes the Catalan Republic,
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How can we decide what to put in the infobox when none of the details that would fill it were ever decided? This Catalan state was certainly declared, but no flag was ever chosen, no president elected, no capital declared, no anthem made official etc. etc. etc. If you are going to have an infobox
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the two articles should be merged into a single article on the declaration. Most of the size issues noted above are quickly fixed by eliminating duplicated text, and ultimately the republic was ephemeral and never had any working government. The declaration itself is historically important and
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As for keeping a colour that isn't actually used on the map in the box - and may well now never be used - I really cannot see the justification at all for this. Arguing that it is needed "for balance" begs the question of why we are including content that is not relevant to the subject (since no
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which was declared in 1919 as separate from the Weimar Republic and Bavaria, only to then be re-integrated in 1919 back into the Weimar Republic and Bavaria without ever having any recognition. I continue to hold the position of my !vote (which was more of a support for an infobox in general) by
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If the map is intended to do anything other than show recognition or non-recognition in a binary manner, then I would suggest that the data should not be presented in map form because of the nuance problem. Maps are a pretty rubbish way of representing what you seem to suggest that this map is
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As for the map being pointless, well, at present it includes a green colour that is not on the map, imputes statements and positions to countries that have not actually been said. If it has to include information that is either wrong or irrelevant to have a point, then I would rather have it be
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At this point I think it's very fair to say that Catalonia cannot still be compared with Transnistria because Transnistria still exerts full de facto control over the region. However, other states throughout history have proclaimed their independence only to be quickly reintegrated, such as the
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FOARP's original post makes more sense to me than the modified one. There would be few supporters for deletion of this page, but currently the referendum page/ declaration page/ Spanish crisis and this page (+ others?) duplicate an enormous amount of info. The country did not meaningfully exist
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put down) are markers of the existence of something. However it doesn't mean that those articles are correctly named, or in the right context (versus, say, being called "Catalan rebellion 1937" or similar). Seems self evident that this may well be a POV issue that extends beyond this article.
856:- Regarding "when none of the details that would fill it were ever decided" I strongly encourage you to read the full discussion here as such details that are found in the infobox (Catalonia's legally recognized flag, anthem, capital, etc) were decided and we've cited the specific legislation (
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Agree with Kahastok, there's no point trying to use colours to describe nuance in the differing positions of countries all of whom, ultimately, share the same position (non-recognition). This is the case even for Israel and Venezuela. In trying to assert that there is a difference between two
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which, much like the 2017 Catalan Republic, declared independence from Spain but only a few days later was taken back by Spanish forces. In a timespan that short, one could genuinely question just how effective it was at exerting de facto control, but it fully warrants an infobox nonetheless.
879:- at least until such a time where they actually control the territory with armed Catalan forces. At the moment this has no (? I think) external recognition and no de-facto control. If Catalan armed forces emerge and actually control the territory, then we should treat the same as
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These are clearly instances that show a clearly regection towards Catalonia Independence. I ask to remove to orange colour and mark them with red. You can keep the annotations if you think they explain these countries declarations better but remove the orange colour from the map.
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from September of this year detailed that what applied to Catalonia as a region under Spain (its anthem, its flag, its capital, its elected officials, etc) - everything he cited all transferred to the new Catalan Republic. I'd rank the choices as follows: Country infobox : -->
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of Spain. By contrast Poland said much the same kind of thing and is coloured in red. The same goes for Belgium, Taiwan, Israel in varying degrees. Only Slovenia doesn't seem to have stated that Catalonia is part of Spain, but since this amounts to "not voicing a position
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to show that such an option exist in the map in the event in is required (also, showing green does no harm at all). Otherwise, readers may get a wrong idea from the map, that it is only a map showing non-recognition of the Catalan Republic, when it is by no means so.
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The point is that ther's no statement nor official document declaring that Catalonia "infobox-details" are transferred to the Catalan Republic. We have a signed document (27 October) approving the transitoriety to become a Republic as the only document. Nothing else.
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As for the green colour, it's there because the fact that no one recognizes the Catalan Republic now does not mean it may not happen in the future. It's one of the options possible; agree that it's one not actually in use nowadays, but it's good for the sake of
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seems best option, due to lack of international recognition and lack of effective home rule (past or present). Nothing about the Catalan Republic resembles a government, even their political parties agreed to concur in new local elections organized by Spain.
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Article 10. Continuity of the valid law 1. The local, autonomic and state regulations in force in Catalonia at the time of entry into force of this Law shall continue to apply in all matters not in contravention of this Law and the Catalan law passed
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Catalan republic". In fact there are probably only two classes at present: not recognising and not expressing a view. The green colour should be done away with as, at present, no-one recognises the Catalan republic.
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Problem: if it is now a former country, then when did it exist? It is not enough to simply point to primary evidence about two events and say "it existed between these events" if no secondary source states so.
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interpretations of primary evidence. It is not enough to simply point to two events and say "between these events the state existed" without having a reliable source stating that it did. To do so violates
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Or described it as existing at any point. The idea that it was a former state requires that we state definite points when it existed, beyond the declaration of independence. There is no source for that.
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Any state that does not recognise the Catalan Republic does not recognise the Catalan Republic, whether or not they have said so. While there may (or may not) be a difference in
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significant, but the promised independent state never materialized as a working entity, and any information about what did happen is sufficiently covered elsewhere. --
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Then we should paint the whole map red, remove green from the legend and have a nicely wholly-red map with no other choice? For that, then no map is needed at all.
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2772:- can you close this discussion as well so that the edit history is clear? FOARP (talk)
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with some phantasizing about an independent Catalan state added for good measure. —
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that would allow room for another infobox. Into where can you put another infobox?
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because you don't need a wholly red map to say that "no one recognizes Catalonia".
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per above, but perhaps further clarification on the page is needed.--
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