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declared that it was harder for a man of his natural clemency to make such a threat than it would be for him actually to do the deed. The man who had proclaimed that he was championing the rights of the tribunes in January was now as ready as his opponents had been to override and threaten one of these magistrates. He had never hidden the fact that his greatest aim was to protect his own dignitas.

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parenthetical disambiguation would be better—I suspect this title was written analogously to the "English Civil War" and the "American Civil War", which is what "Civil War" always refers to in English or American history—"English" and "American" are only included if the context is unclear. I've never cared for "Caesar's Civil War" as a title, but it's still

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the Rebellion", etc., but they don't stop being proper names—we don't refer to the "first Punic war" or the "third Samnite war" or the "third servile war" as though they were common nouns, although that seems to be what your comment above implies we should be doing. I don't think that comports with standard rules for capitalization in English, however.

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sources may have done a better job of collecting more reports from primary sources and resolving conflicts, applying modern knowledge to correctly explain things that older sources could not have, or remaining free of bias that might affect sources written while any conflicts described were still active or strongly felt.

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In Plutarch's version blacksmiths had to be summoned to perform this task, and there was a confrontation between Caesar and Metellus outside the building. As the tribune repeatedly tried to halt the work, Caesar's temper flared up and he threatened to kill him. As Metellus at last backed down, Caesar

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So then, less incensed now that the source didn't say that, I simply adhered to it. Now I see you are taking issue with Goldsworthy via Plutarch. If you want to have dueling sources about Caesar, I would be fine, make it as long or short as it needs to be. That's what I was setting out to do. However

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just using Goldworthy is inadequate. After finding an electronic version (that's out there) you can find this entire quote that is dovetailing into the subject at hand or at least providing Caesar's mental state. This end-of-paragraph is two paragraphs preceding "Metellus stood in front of the doors

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Civil War of Roman history, perhaps because it's the title used by Caesar for his commentaries, and Appian also used the title, although he seems to have covered all of the major conflicts of the first century BC under the same (singular) title. Other such conflicts can be described as "civil wars",

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Re 1. My reading of the secondary sources is that there are many of them which view his casus belli as a pretext. Goldsworthy does his normal thing of presenting both sides. His general reliability, especially on military affairs, is also not in question: the author is well credentialed; his work is

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in American History refers to a different conflict—we don't treat it as a common noun because it's unique, but because it's a proper name, like "World War I" or "the Hundred Years' War" or "the Russian Revolution". It's true that many conflicts have multiple names—the "First World War", the "War of

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But despite Knowledge (XXG) having a neutral POV without active choice of sides, I should restate my position (no need for emotional language like "balk") that issues can totally obliterate another side if need be, and that only extreme care is needed for historical issues which I can just bring up

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it expresses a Knowledge (XXG) editor's opinion that, given the Harvard manual's definition of plagiarism, Jones did not commit it. Making the second paragraph policy-compliant would require a reliable source specifically commenting on the Smith and Jones dispute and making the same point about the

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In the Commentaries Caesar claims that Pompey had threatened to treat even those who stayed in Italy as if they had sided with Caesar. In the end, most people of all classes felt no strong attachment to either side, wanted to be neutral and simply hoped to survive the Civil War unscathed. Some were

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Appreciate someone doing the work to get Talk pages working by using that at sign. Mentally I think I'm also in a better place to start using the Talk pages again. They provide a lot of space to write, even if they don't remake one's image perhaps braggadociously in the article. I'm most happy with

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The paean to qualifiers is just an open door to fringery. I am unaware of any scholars seriously suggesting that Caesar's action against Metellus was consistent with his alleged support for tribunician rights. To say that the casus belli "save the tribunes from abuse" is not consistent with "I'll

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the same in all regions, and should be sublisted separately in each region: intermunicipal entities are sometimes larger and split by subregions (e.g. the Metropolitan Area of Lisbon has two subregions), some intercommunal entities are containing only parts of subregions. All subregions should be

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side if the article will actually specify these authors trust the Plutarch quote of Caesar, some do not, to avoid using kettle logic about the historicity. For this reason I would add that in one case Goldsworthy is citing Plutarch, and in the other Goldsworthy is citing Commentaries or leave it

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I agree that "motives unknown" is not different from "origins unknown" in the Gruen source, it was just a matter of me not thinking you would try to find even more things to bolster my point. I was spending most of my time on Gruen because I had brought it up in the reverse of the aforementioned

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With regard to historical events, older reports (closer to the event, but not too close such that they are prone to the errors of breaking news) tend to have the most detail, and are less likely to have errors introduced by repeated copying and summarizing. However, newer secondary and tertiary

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Hi, in the source I cited, on page 571, it states, "After the spectacles, a census of the people were taken, and instead of the three hundred and twenty thousand of the preceding lists there were only enrolled one hundred and fifty thousand." So that means roughly 170,000 Romans died. You are

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Civil War. Other civil wars in Roman history aren't usually called something else or otherwise described so as to make them clear which war or revolt they refer to, if it isn't already clear, but "the Civil War" with no other context except that it's Roman always refers to this war. Perhaps

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side. If you look around the article page you'll find that point of view represented from Gruen, 1995. The way I paraphrased it, "Caesar was willing to invert his proclaimed championing of tribunes' rights", with the crucial use of invert rather than revert, as adequately representing

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category concerning dignitas and also because in the beginning there was just Goldsworthy as the source. Not only does Gruen compare Pompey to Caesar in this article, but as a general book-end: Also Ehrhardt Antichthon 29 apparently including the death threat and calling the

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vol 9 (1994) p 430 noting "More embarrassing still was the action of the tribune L. Metellus ... ... the defender of tribunician rights does not mention this contretemps, and he set off for Spain angry at his loss of popularity with the plebs and the time wasted";

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is, I think, rather unclear. Can you provide the specific passage? Nor do I see anywhere in it where it says that the total number of dead is 170,000. Nor do I think that Plutarch's biographies are at all reliable without expert interpretation. See

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There's a reason the best of our scholars are citing all these things with different qualifiers, so don't choose one side and only give that side's reasoning, especially when in Knowledge (XXG) it is normal to exclude primary sources altogether.

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The inconsistency between Caesar's supposed casus belli, protecting the rights of tribunes, and his actions is regularly brought up in the scholarly literature. The sham nature of the casus belli was even brought up in ancient times (see Suet

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I agree with both that argument against seeing known history as a foregone conclusion and the caveat against drawing large scale conclusions based on fragmentary evidence, however, Gruen cautions against drawing any real conclusions from

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in protecting the rights of tribunes:" was paraphrasing the book which is a big statement for anyone to make, and I looked at the Amazon reviews to see whether this source could be trusted, only to find that it's a bit of a hagiography

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I would advise not to assume I'm the one trying to soften Caesar's image. In fact, I was a bit furious though I hate to admit it at the start, because I thought your initial edit "This also showed the sham nature of Caesar's supposed

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ends with the start of the civil war and does not discuss the episode before the treasury. Gruen's discussion of Caesar's motive is that (1) Caesar motivate his army with destroying the republic but instead vindicating it (p 492)

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I'm not going to treat the Talk page like a micro-Article page, rather deal with the points of contention and let it materialize how it may. Fundamentally it seems you've misinterpreted or refused to provide secondary sources of

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I'm ... somewhat unclear as to what your response is claiming. I'll divide into two issues. The first is whether Caesar's casus belli was borne out by later events. The second is about Caesar's interactions with Metellus (pl tr

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What's the standard citation – chapter and section; classicists do not cite primary sources by page number – for that? I'd want to take a look in Pelling's commentary. Moreover, Roman censuses were regularly dodged (see eg

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but always have to be distinguished, or are referred to by other names. "Roman Civil War" might seem ambiguous, since it's not usually so called, although I think it's a marginally better title than the present one.

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Well, from "probably Plutarch is wrong" (if you still believe this does make Caesar's statement inverted, not reverted and supports Goldsworthy, or seemingly you actually believe it with Ehrhardt Antichthon 29 and

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I would advise you look into that Gruen section about Asinius if you want an actual understanding of more background to Caesar's civil war, rather than leaving it at "shoddy historian" and moving on to your next

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and (2) that defending tribunes was a "pretext" and "not motive" (p 496). In general this claim of yours also seems very confused. The more Caesar is fighting for dignitas, the more that defending tribunes

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statistic subdivisions but real administrative entities, so they should be listed below, probably using a smaller font: we can safely eliminate the subgrouping by type of intermunicipal entity from this

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as I'll get to) to " sham" for your proposed edit there is no mention of Goldsworthy "possibly" and where he literally says as I said before invert, not revert, weight is portrayed as being all on the

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as intending to deceive, held against the widely accepted clemency as part of Caesar's self-descriptors, I would balk at that descriptor, which is why anything approaching sham doesn't appear in Gruen.

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convinced by Caesar's words and attitude, but most remained wary. The only open resistance to Caesar came from one of the tribunes, Lucius Caecilius Metellus, who began by hindering him in the Senate.

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I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I wanted to complete this article this weekend, or anytime soon, so I will provide an example of the upper-limits of the work it takes to have dueling sources

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R2 - If you require it, this is all from Goldsworthy's lead-up, I didn't separate authors. Having an entire paragraph from one secondary source did look unusual, but it was because of this article

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mentioning conflicting sources that I made it all one source. Then playing on Goldworthy's small distance from Plutarch quote to mean the senators were not under threat is just more of the same.

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The Roman people found themselves puzzled and perplexed about the origins of this conflict.165 And rightly so: motives for the civil war are nowhere to be found. after the fact as vindication

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lie about why he went to war). I am also confused as to your comment on Raaflaub and Meier. Do you view them differently? I am operating on my recollection of what is in them, signalled with

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If I wanted to capture the full swath of authors' opinions, I would look more into Raaflaub Dignitatis contentio (orig 1974) and Meier Caesar (orig 1982) that seem to really call the

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I found that I didn't have to put in the work with Goldsworthy's source. I would just have Goldsworthy on the dignitas-means-bluster,-comparable-to-Pompey,-doesn't-mean-sham-of-

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Re 2. Joining Caesar's claim that senators who remained in Italy were under threat from Pompey, made in the commentaries on the civil war, to a confrontation with Metellus is

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per SMcCandlish. As for the comments by P Aculeius, I think that can be a separate discussion held later. This is, at least, an improvement over the current title. —⁠ ⁠

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as narrowly "false", doesn't elaborate on the origins and is an "after the fact vindication" rather than the general connotation "deceiving." Having the definition of

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kill a tribune if he doesn't stop me from getting the money" is the communis opinio; that the pretext was a sham, as in a lie, is also very widely held. Ehrhardt

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Note that a "substantial majority" is required; in this case, the sources are split almost 50-50, so lowercase capitalization is preferred automatically. Pinging

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It begins by praising Caesar, starting with praising the subject of the biography instead of giving neutral information didn't make the best impression on me.

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Instead of tearing down, you with Goldsworthy's take on historicity or Gruen completely dismissing Asinius Pollio's statement by baselessly claiming the

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related to Caesar's actions with Lucius Metellus in the treasury being inconsistent with claimed war goal of defending the rights of the tribunes.

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The airport is not listed as João Paulo II anywhere. The airport's own website calls itself simply Ponta Delgada, and has no mention of João Paulo.

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I intend to rewrite the passage again to emphasise how this episode was embarrassing for Caesar's casus belli with reference to the above sources:

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move. Turning into a full requested move to allow for discussion given that a move would require non-controversial interpretation of guideline.

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Roller, Duane W., The world of Juba II and Kleopatra Selene: royal scholarship on Rome's African frontier, Taylor & *Francis e-Library, 2004

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dignitas-means-sham-of-casus-belli,-doesn't-mean-bluster,-comparable-to-Pompey and choose sides on Plutarch's historicity from the get go with

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is not at odds with my latest edit. To have none of your first three sources (and Goldworthy's) represented on the page would raise eyebrows.

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this was not a census of all the people, but a revision of the number of poorer citizens entitled to receive allowance of grain from the state

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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the core thesis of the book is a reaction against Brunt: that nobody in the last generation was intending to kill the republican system

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2004). Mere statement that the numbers went down does not mean that we can attribute the entire difference to deaths in the civil war.

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I think that about covers it, and yes I will admit, one day I saw the flashy tables and added wayyy more people than I should have.

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Anyway, on the substance. I'll soon get into why equating the perfection of Caesar's initial statement implied with the

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in the 20th century mostly, and perhaps avoiding the primary source making no qualms over Caesar apparently being

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his life, claimed by Caesar to have been to been under the same threat as himself by Pompey for staying in Italy

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No, no more than we capitalize anything else. When something has a proper name, it's capitalized; this is

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but by that argument, shouldn't we then be capitalising anything and everything of which there's only one?

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including a threat on Metellus' life that then led to Metellus fleeing to Pompey in Macedonia (citing Cic

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Such a statement-whether or not Caesar ever made it-was an obvious apologia for the massacre at Pharsalus

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correct, however, to say that Plutarch is not a very reliable source. But at least he provided a figure.

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Holmes, T. Rice, The Roman Republic and the Founder of the Empire, Vol III, Oxford University Press, 1923

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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I created the article about Saburra and my sources are linked but I will link some of the ones I used:

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by crossing the Rubicon, and that what everyone is doing millennia later, reading tea leaves from

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side on Knowledge (XXG) doomed when the "authors wise up," that Caesar already broke the law on

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The relevance of Gruen calling Pharsalus a "massacre" is non-existent, as are the long quote of

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engaged with (eg cited at Morstein-Marx 2021 p 409 n 401); real reviews – contra Amazon ones,

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of the comments Raaflaub Dignitatis contentio (orig 1974) and Meier Caesar (orig 1982).

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issue, I don't buy that this passage can support the claim of 170k deaths in the war.

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I'm again very unclear as to what you are claiming and why. These lines especially –

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interposed his veto against Caesar's attempt, probably via his soldiers, to raid the

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my latest edit on this article at this time. I'll be sure to continue the practice.

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Gardner (translator), Jane F (1967). Julius Caesar – The Civil War. Penguin Books.

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dignitas means sham of casus belli, it doesn't mean bluster, comparable to Pompey

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Nor am I entirely clear as to the meaning or veracity of this portion added:

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fighting for the tribunes; that is why I wrote that passage the way I did.

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I have no idea what this response is trying to say. I'm going to tag

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who participated in the original technical move request. Cheers,

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55.5, the old Perrin Loeb includes a footnote that says Suet.

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Sources about this two come from ancient and modern sources.

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This actually means you would be participating in WP:SYNTH:

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I am very unclear as to why you are so insistent on

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