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Persian lime, Citrus latifolia. If you want to refer to "limes," in standard US English, that is what you are referring to. More generally, citrus fruit with a green peel is usually referred to as a "lime." It would definitely make sense to add a note saying that key limes are not usual in caipirinhas, but when I've been in Brazil (many times over the past several years) I have definitely seen plenty of caipirinhas made with
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Reasoning 3: there are also many kinds of lime, and the one we call “taiti” isn't the most common one; the word lime, unqualified, means different fruit to different people, but to most, it means key lime, which is definitely called a lime (“lima”) in Brazil, and is definitely not acceptable to make
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Not sure this discussion is still "alive", but I thought I'd add my two anecdotal cents, just in case. I can only speak from my own experience and from asking a few people; it seems like the "caipivodka" name has as of the last few-to-several years gradually been replacing "caipiroska", at least in
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I would normally assume that the second sentence refers to the subject of the first, which is "Caipirinha": "The main ingredient (of
Caipirinha) is aguardente de cana." But I suspect what it really wants to say is "The main ingredient (of Poncha) is aguardente de cana." I checked the source but am
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of that time. Although it has never made it to the market, the chipset caused quite a stir amongst Amiga fans. Would you like to consider a disambiguation page for this, in my opinion, piece of history that has already nearly gone lost forever? Information about it is very hard to find (I did find
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Lime is misleading. In Portuguese from Portugal "limão" (lemon) is a different fruit from lime (lima). Though sometimes people confuse both. In Brazil that happens a lot. Many times people refer to lime as lemon and vice versa. To help the confusion there's loads of caipirinha variations. But the
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Couldn't we cut through this Gordian knot by agreeing to use scientific names? Personally, I was very surprised to discover that you think that "lime" means "key lime," because I have never run into a key lime sold under that name in the United States - what is sold under the name "lime" is the
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If its not vandalism, its quite ofensive for brazillians and for either reasons, I guess it shouldnt be featured. It is probably derived by the fact that pronouncing "Gay Piranhas" sounds similar to "Caipirinhas" pronounced with strong american english accent.
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in fact this is the first time I've even heard it. The name I'm familiar with for a Caipirinha made with vodka is "Caipiroshka" (note the added "h"). This is the name commonly used in on premise promotional materials, articles in the trade press etc.
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Reasoning 2: the recipe doesn't say “limão taiti”; it says “limão”. There are many kinds of “limão”, most of which (in fact, AFAIK, all of them except “taiti”) are lemons. All of them are acceptable ingredients for caipirinha, including
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not a bitter lemon, but distinctive and lime-y. I've made limeade since moving back just because I miss the suco de limao and the limonadas we drank every day. I think the North American lime is more closely matched than the lemon.
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