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infobox has forces of governments-in-exile but nothing like foreign mercenaries. Additionally, like the lead, the infobox should summarize information established in the article body, and I found no mention of
British mercenaries. If it isn't significant enough to be anywhere in the article, then the information hasn't demonstrated notability for inclusion in the infobox, let alone the strong connection required for representation with a flag icon in the infobox. As the article currently stands, my opinion is strongly against a British flag in the infobox. –
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The only source where that is indicated is Pérez
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which collects all guidelines on flag use. Flags primarily represent governments; the
British government was not a party to this event. Flags should only be used to express the nationality of a person with a strong representation to the country associated with that flag in the context of the event
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All the commanders of the chilean squadron was
British, and all the sailors British too. A little squadron do not have divisions (there was two groups of assault, both British). But the rules of the ships was British rules, the language used in the ships was english. Cochrane and the sailors do not
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In this instance, it seems to me that the volunteers were individually recruited into the
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participant in the fighting, and that such were usually not named in the infobox but indicated in the article body. However, they did want to leave room for rare exceptions, such as when mercenary units were "acting independently" or where "a battle was fought almost exclusively by hired troops on
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British, not all. The crew was not British, was heterogeneous as there were Chileans, British, Americans and to a lesser extent other nationalities or ethnicities. The use of the English language is for practical reasons, but none of that changes the fact that they served
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British in the Chilean Navy do not form divisions or groups, they are individually hooked and integrated in the same way as the Chileans and other foreigners present in it. That is what Caminoderoma can not or does not want to understand. Making a separation is incongruous,
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British marine detachment, not individual volunteers of British nationality. I feel that a British flag would actually lead to a misunderstanding that the British government was directly involved. In regard to the Invasion of Normandy article, its
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Normandy, all the indicated countries are belligerents. The British are mercenaries who serve Chile, as well as the other foreigners who were in the Chilean Navy. The only belligerents here are Chile and the Spanish Monarchy. The infofox does not respond under the logic of
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The majority of the references say that the British was the main force that participating in this Battle, and some references say British fought alone, from the main commander Thomas Cochrane to the last sailor. There are not chileans in this battle. Only the insurgent government was
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We have discussed this point previously. You change the consensus of the article with invents the data and original research. What you say is a totally false translation of books in Spanish. Cubit puts the numbers clear.
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