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suggests that it is spelled with a 'K', as does the spelling dictionary on my smartphone (English.UK). In Canada and the United States I have only seen it with a 'C'. The original spelling is German, of course, so
Karabiner is less divergent than Carabiner from the original. Anyone bother to search
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Note that the vast majority of sources simply repeat a myth about a German climber called Rambo Herzog, who actually did not develop carabiners at all, so if you do decide to add a short history section to this
Knowledge page, it would need to include a statement showing that it is a myth, to stop
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Actually, in German, it was originally spelled with a C, and still is spelled with a C in many German speaking regions. This is not as a result of the
English word creeping back into German, it has always been spelled with a C in those regions, and the longer form was spelled Carabinerhaken there
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In my experience. the term "snap link" refers to a much lighter duty item of a utility or hardware nature, which is used for connecting light objects or strapping things down, but it nowhere near strong enough to use in mountaineering applications, where failure might well mean death. Although
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Does anyone know when the first carabiners originated? I assume the late nineteenth century, but was wondering if anyone could say more definitively. I've always seen it spelled "carabiner", btw, but so long as there's a re-direct from either spelling, should be fine.
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too. The word "Carabiner" (when used for the rifle or the metal clip) was originally spelled with a C. It first appeared as the name for the clip, as a standalone word (rather than the longer
Carabinerhaken), in Austria, not Germany. See the full history here:
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In the US, "carabiner" is the accepted spelling. Is "karabiner" the
British spelling, or only the German? Since the c is used in the article title, I'm tempted to revert the edit where the spelling was changed, but I'd like some input from other editors.
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British suppliers liked to make hardware look extra German, because British consumers would assume that German outdoor equipment is better.
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Karabiner means carbine (Spanish and Franch carabine): short gun used by Spanish an French cavalry, and by German cavalry fron 1888 (Mauser 88). The spanish carabine comes (year 1500)from the arabian word karab.
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Strength on the 'biners, but doesnt say whether thats the working load limit, or the breaking strength. Personally, I'm not sure what it is, otherwise I would edit it in. Any takers?
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These are often referred to as 'snap links', yet there is no mention of that term on the page and a wiki search of it doesn't refer to this page. Shouldn't 'Snap link' at least redirect here?
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The article title is carabiner, and in my opinion that establishes the spelling that we should use. If the karabiner is the accepted spelling, then the article title should be changed.
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Glenmore Lodge guides
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It's referring to the breaking strain (all the UIAA and the CE requirements are that the carabiner does not break when loaded with X kN). Will change the main text to reflect this.
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Karabiner used as well, but non-registered members get no love :(
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