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31: 539:: The lead should summarize the article. Israel-Palestine is a major theme of Latuff's work. With such a large section on antisemitism, it would be silly to not include it in the lead. The section should be summarized fairly, with not only the criticism and Latuff's response, but also, for instance, the quote by Joel Kotek in 543:, stating that his message is anti-Israel, rather than anti-Semitic. The current formulation in the lead, "Despite Latuff himself describes his work as controversial", should be eliminated. "Despite" is editorializing, "controversial" is weasel word, and anyway being controversial has nothing to do with being anti-Semitic. 382:
his repudiation of the charge is in the same sentence, i.e. 'Latuff's cartoons, which often use the analogy between the Holocaust and Palestinians, have been accused of/interpreted as/ anti-Semitism/antisemitic. Latuff has dismissed the charges as 'a strategy for discrediting' criticism of Israel.' I
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to exclude. Some of the arguments to exclude from the lead or from the first paragraph of the lead are these: (1) the corresponding material in the article body is excessive, false, not reliable, or not connected to Latuff; and (2) any such material in the lead should also include the contrary view
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This RfC is now being closed because consensus has been reached. In RFC discussions, consensus is based upon the strength of policy-based arguments. However, it is worth noting the !vote-count here, regarding whether the allegation of antisemitism in some of Latuff's cartoons should be included in
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per Nishidani. In order to preserve neutrality, some balance should be struck in the lead, so leaving just a remark on anti-semitism would introduce undue bias, especially since many people stop reading after the lead. If you introduce a construction like that demonstrated by Nishidani, I think it
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it should be reported (as a controversy, not a fact) according to the material in the article. But the material in the article should before be challenged. Half can be immediately removed because it reports false information, is not from wp:rs or is not linked with Latuff's alleged's antisemitism.
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Currently, the latter half of the lead is devoted to this subject. I conclude that there is consensus to include in the lead (after the first paragraph) a statement that some of Latuff's cartoons have been called antisemitic, provided that it includes a refutation by Latuff, plus some information
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The pertinent section of the Knowledge (XXG) article is Section 4, titled "Alleged antisemitism". This Section 4 has an NPOV tag at its top, dated May 2014. It is odd that a large majority of editors would like to summarize Section 4 in the lead, but have not agreed as to how that section itself
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The image formatting in this section is, to put it quite bluntly, crap. There are four images supposed to be of work others have interpreted as antisemitic, all with crap captions if captioned at all. It's an overdose of images. There is no inclusion of his work in which he he lambasts nazis and
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I deleted the "controversial" line in the lede, because I felt it was redundant to the more specific allegations of antisemitism. However, we could merge that sentence into Latuff's response, saying "Latuff says his cartoons are controvercial but..." but that runs into
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per V and LEAD, his alleged antisemitism is widely reported and appears in this article. The lead should summarize the body. It should naturally follow BLP in how it's worded, but BLP doesn't mean "no criticism of a living person".
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I have implemented RfC. Included opposing viewpoints and named some of them. Removed of "Despite his work being controversial" (being controversial has nothing to do with being anti-Semitic) - this was added by a sockpuppet
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Then the attacks should be put in the context of the propaganda war in which any virulent opponent to Irael's policy, such as Latuff, is attacked for antisemitism. Given the huge controversy around this, compliance with
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Per the fairly obvious consensus developing above, I am restoring the content, using Nishidani's proposed wording. The RFC remains open, and if consensus develops to the contrary we can remove then.
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As far as I know, one needs a self-identification to use the term "Arab-Brazilian". Latuff's grandfather was Lebanese, but that is not enough. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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any form of one-sided/biased form of this allegation. I believe the variant before revert and protection presented both sides and was rather neutral, in this form I would
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Per source Latuff himself recognized his work as controversial (it's not necessarily related to the accusations of antisemitism, which he denies).--
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Actually it's two images others have interpreted as antisemitic and two where he says people cry antisemitism too much. That seems balanced.
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Should the statement that some of Latuff's cartoons have been called antisemetic be included in the lede? 15:26, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
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stating that Latuff’s message is anti-Israel rather than anti-Semitic.
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is more important from my point of view and should be predominant.
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tells them that the Palestinian cause doesn't need their help
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