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This is way too long. I am not going to refute all of the comments. I will just say that, in my opinion, in these times where nation states were not a thing, we could say that a country "belonged" to the nationality that ruled it. For example the
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You wrote "deception" Could you tell me why? When I see history maps I can see that this region
Carpatho-Ukraine belonged to Hungary from 900 to 1920, so why do you say that it is a deception? In the article we have many precise numbers about many things, why it would be problem this number? Or what
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survived less than a day after its proclamation of independence in 1939? Note that no country recognised C-U's existence as a separate entity, so we can't say that it was a country, only that someone tried to claim this status, before the Hungarian army crushed it (which process took 2-3 days in
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King of Hungary from 1526 to 1540) was elected by the majority of Hungarian nobles and a Habsburg king was elected by a minority. Why does Hungary would be not a Hungarian state anymore if it was 2 kings of Hungary? Do you think it was Hungarian state in 1526 and the in 1527 not a Hungarian state
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was not a Hungarian? If it was not a Hungarian state then could you tell me what was it? We in Hungary and the Hungarian historiography do not know about this that Kingom of Hungary was not a Hungarian state. This is really new for me. If it was not Hungarian why does it call Kingdom of Hungary
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A single Hungarian state continuous from 895 to 1920 has never existed. And there were several interruptions of the region being led by any Hungarian state at all as well. However my main issue with this is that I don't understand why is this necessary in the lead. We can talk about this in the
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I see your point. I think the "historical" term is good, then we can add the details in the history section. Just my problem was why did you say "deception", because I would like edit Wiki in a good faith that is why I showed you the historical maps, because I can see the region belonged to a
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It seems that current title of this article ("Carpatho-Ukraine") may be at odds with some naming conventions. Content of this article is very specific, and covers a very short historical period, from 1938 to 1939 only. On the other hand, term "Carpatho-Ukraine" has much wider scope, both
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1635 map of Europe by Willem Blaeu, a Dutch cartographer, The proportions are overall not so good, Hungary looks smaller than the reality, but we can see what was the Hungarian lands at that time. Hungarian land from Pozsony/Bratislava (Pressburg) to Gyulafehérvár/Alba Iulia
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all, but it is probably reasonable to say that true claimed independence was just for <1 day). So three volunteers all reviewed at the same time - well, that's something. Actually, an interesting topic, if qualified.
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