Talk:Charleston church shooting/Archive 1

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of the depraved violence that we do to each other, and the nexus of a just gaping racial wound that will not heal but we pretend doesn’t exist. The Confederate flag flies over South Carolina, and the roads are named for Confederate generals. That’s racial wallpaper. We are steeped in that culture in this country and we refuse to recognise it. And we’re going to keep pretending: I don’t get it, what happened, there’s one guy lost his mind. Nine people were shot in a black church by a white guy who hated them, who wanted to start some kinde of civil war. I’m confident, though, that by acknowledging it, by staring into that and seeing it for what it is, we still won’t do anything at all. Yeah. That’s us. The reluctance to label domestic shootings of this kind as terrorism, led to a disparity of response between when we think people that are foreign are going to kill us and us killing ourselves. If this had been what we thought was Islamic terrorism we invaded two countries and spent trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives and millions non-American lives, and now fly unmanned death machines over six different countries. Nine people. Shot in a church. What about that? Eh. What are you gonna do? Crazy is as crazy is, right? And the white guy’s the one who feels like his country’s being taken away. I cannot believe how hard people are working to discount it. → Yepp, not my wording ;-) Thx Jon Stewart for playing with me:

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also be notable. The reactions are of relevance within limits. The NRA reaction is more relevant in how it relates to the issue of guns in the U.S. than anything else. To that extent it is almost unrelated to this specific event or too general, if Knowledge (XXG) wants to promote a very specific, tight relevance for articles. Jon Stewart's reaction is relevant in how liberals entertain themselves and Fox & Friends is relevant in how conservatives entertain themselves. I've never seen a Reactions section on Knowledge (XXG) that took account of all these subtleties but this may be as good a place to start as any. So long as all of it is separated from the main facts of the article, I think it could be fine. If these reactions are integrated into the article, they will make for a useless reference article that forces the casual reader to do a lot of work separating the core from the tangential details. If such secondary details are set off neatly in a "Reactions" section, most readers who want a facts reference will be able to ignore them and save their time if they so choose.

3292: 3319: 3310: 3301: 3283: 3265:, I took five photos at a prayer vigil the day after the attack at the Morris Brown African Methodist Episcopal Church. Unfortunately, I couldn't get inside because it was already at capacity. The images are below. I also didn't attend the memorial service that the city held yesterday so this is all I have right now. I wish they were better quality but I wasn't even thinking about putting them up here when I took them, so hope they can still help. 31: 602:"A female survivor told family members that the gunman told her he was letting her live to tell everyone else what happened, Dot Scott, president of the local branch of the NAACP, told CNN. Scott said she had not spoken to the survivor directly but had heard this account repeated at least a dozen times as she met with relatives of the victims Wednesday night." 3748:

black people..the "I had to do it" quote), then I think this is likely to accrue some domestic terrorism references. Hate crime and terrorism are not mutually exclusive; they have overlap. If a hate crime is for a stated political purpose, as it may be in this case, I would expect the RS to go the terrorism route, and I see no reason to avoid that label.

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rather than an attack by someone who wore pro-apartheid insignia (among other things) on a central site of black organizing in the south. Not knowing about Emanuel's history and connections to these movements and issues is what makes the shooter seem like nothing more than a "troubled man," and so we should include that context in the article early on.

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go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me."

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included. Personally I would delete the reactions by Jon Stewart, Fox & Friends, and the NRA board member. Also, I think setting people's comments off in a blockquote is unnecessary and distorts the section; IMO the comments from the mayor, the governor, and the president would be better handled as a normal paragraph. Thoughts? --

5335:). Look, his intention was to start a race war, this was his groundwork, and while I share a particular queasiness in helping propagate some of these awful tropes, I think we've an obligation to represent the full facts as they are objectively areported. Will you let me perform a (partial) restore? Thanks. — 5681:

I was wondering about that myself and I'm sure that the authorities are investigating whether whoever took the photos had any relationship to the shooting. That said, the photos are pretty clearly protected speech despite depicting some pretty odious things, and there's a world of difference between

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Well, this thread is about his driving record, not his label as adult versus kid. Nonetheless, while he is legally an adult at age 21, in contemporary society, there is an extended adolescence that spans well into the late twenties and early thirties. So, to me, at age 21, someone is still (albeit,

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Inediblehulk, the sentiment you should be agreeeing with is that he was white, therefore his actions reflect on all white people. If the shooter were black then no-one should link him murdering people to any black people, because it's unfair to make a whole group of people responsible for the acts of

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is, or am I crazy? We know he's addressing the shooting, because it's in a reaction section. We know he's talking to a bunch of Christians about a church shooting, so why is his political difference from Obama the relevant thing, not salvation and straying from the Church? We say what he thinks won't

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I added the sentence "The attack took place on the 193rd anniversary of the failed slave uprising, which had been scheduled to occur on June 17, 1822." to the Background section. It clearly seems relevant, given the fact that Vesey was a founding member of the church. But I noticed that someone added

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on my part -- I've added 4 reliable sources to the article that specifically discuss these links. And as those sources point out, calling the shooter a "troubled man" distorts this context and makes it seem like it was a random shooting that could have otherwise happened at any mall or post office --

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They are very much related. Emanuel has long been a site for community organizing around these issues, both historically and recent issues like the shooting of Walter Scott. It has even been previously attacked for being a notable site for black community organizing. And even if that wasn't the case,

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about it. It is well within the rights of journalists to copy such a text in full for the transformative use of public information and discussion, and it is not merely appropriate but highly desirable for us to link to such news sources. There would be no point to have an article about this stupid

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has been discovered, according to a blog on Reason. Again, I think it's prudent to wait for higher-quality sources to pick up on this and verify its authenticity, but it will need to be incorporated into the article. Specifically, Roof states: "I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone,

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or not. We already have the key quote, the one that every news report is highlighting - the one that firmly establishes the racism that apparently motivated him. BTW I haven't seen anything to suggest "neo-Nazi", have you? Just racism and white supremacy. Let's not mix up our hateful ideologies; the

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Fox & Friends might not be notable but neither is Jon Stewart's the Daily Show. Both are cable programs with relatively low ratings and little to no relevance to events outside of their limited viewership. However, if an NRA board member's cited opinion is a notable reaction, a cable show should

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I mostly agree with this. The blockquotes are extremely disruptive to the flow of the article. I don't think that he was, but if the NRA board member was speaking on behalf of the NRA I'd say that would be interesting enough to include in the article. I think that Stewart's monologue has received

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Whiteness, however, is the perpetual and principal exception. White gunmen and assailants, driven by xenophobia, Islamophobia, or what seems to be the motive behind Emanuel AME attack, anti-black racism, are time and again deemed "lone wolves". A characterisation that brands the culprit a rogue, and

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Denmark Vesey is one of the most prominent names in America’s long history of racial terror. And the killer didn’t choose just Vesey’s church but his anniversary. Based on fragmentary evidence, white Charlestonians in 1822 came to believe that Vesey’s revolt “would begin at the stroke of midnight as

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I have removed the mention of the black lives matter cause and the black teens killed by police in the backround. It isn't related, this involved no killings by police but a troubled man. If someone wants to re-include the info please provide a source on how these past events are linked or relevent.

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Indeed, our convention is to wait until the need for disambiguation arises. (Otherwise, we'd have to use the title "June 2015 Charleston church shooting" until next year – and "June 17, 2015 Charleston church shooting" until next month – given the possibility that another Charleston church shooting

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I believe that when the details come out, we'll be in a better position to gauge the RS take on this. Keeping in mind, of course, it's not up to us to determine what should and should not be labeled terrorism. However, if early accounts about his statements are accurate (i.e. specifically targeting

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do not allow me to play? This was racism. This was a guy with a Rhodesia and apartheid-era South Africa badge on his jacket, this ties him to those who have made the emblems a symbol of so-called white resistance. I have nothing other than just sadness that once again we have to peer into the abyss

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I notice the article includes accounts of the shooting which come from "people who talked to survivors". This sounds like we're getting into "friend of a friend" territory here, the kind of stuff newspapers report just to fill the void until better information surfaces. I wonder if we should wait

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Definitely important to include. I have deleted the paragraph going into detail about the Nazi symbolism in some of the photos, but I certainly agree we need to convey that side of him. We will soon have additional Reliable Source reporting, so that we won't have to rely so much on the NYT article

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The attack on Emanuel AME cannot be divorced from the broader targeting of black bodies in the US. It follows last week's horrific events in McKinney, Texas, where vivid images of policemen manhandling and sitting atop black youth intensified frustration among African Americans. Moreover, it takes

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No, it is the growing racism over the past years. The killings of black men are racially charged. The connection is racism, the demonstrations New York, Baltimore and Ferguson, Missouri are against racism. The Black Lives Matter movement is a anti-racism movement. The Charleston church shooting is

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went to some trouble explaining those numbers, and if you are or were able to see Roof's website itself, you would realize how they prevail. To my mind, our Manifesto description goes very light on his racist comments, given their broad scope in the Manifesto; do keep in mind he also wrote “if we

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Agree with Heyyouoverthere. When RS state this was terrorist act, that's when the label is appropriate. Sources right now that state that are kinda weak, blogs/opinion pieces. It isn't up to us to decide if it is or isn't terrorism, but relate that mainstream RS affirm that. I'd imagine it's very

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That's what we're doing. The background only exists onscreen. If you insist on thinking it's about actual killer white people, these are completely separate incidents. There's no real ongoing pattern or continuum specific to blacks. The connection is in the outrage, and the outrage comes from the

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I tracked down a source that said they had to give it back because one of them was on probation, in whose trailer it had been hidden. If he had even gone to police and told them the story, they'd have sent him the jail for having touched the gun at all. And probably handed the gun back to Roof

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Here's something else weird. Everybody is talking as if he is a lone wolf, who did this entirely on his own. But who took the pictures of him pointing a gun at the camera and burning an American flag and so on? Those are not selfies. They should be looking to see who else was part of his twisted

4118:"By this definition, the massacre in Charleston, S.C. Wednesday was clearly a terrorist act. The violence is evident in the death toll of nine people. The perpetrator apparently was not soldier or official acting on behalf of a government, which would make it a different category of violence." -- 875:

According to South Carolina law, civilians may not carry their legal fire arms “on school premises (including day care and preschool facilities), in law enforcement offices or facilities, in court facilities, at polling places on election days, in churches or other religious sanctuaries, or in

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There has been more than one shooting in Charleston in 2015. Perhaps in should be moved to "2015 Charleston, church shooting. "Church shooting" reflects the name for this event being used by the news media.The "South Carolina" is unnecessary specificity, unless there have been notable "church

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with 1488 and a swastika-like rune visible in the sand. His "manifesto" is loaded with anti-Jewish and exterminationist rhetoric. Do you mean, was he a card-carrying member of a Neo-Nazi organization? Just as a terrorist is no less a terrorist for being "self-actualized", he obviously felt an

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Because of intensifying civil strife over the recent killings of unarmed black men and boys, many Americans are wondering, “What’s wrong with our police?” Remarkably, one of the most compelling but unexplored explanations may rest with a FBI warning of October 2006, which reported that “White

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I think we need to take a look at the "reactions" section. Right now it is indiscriminate, and includes pretty much anything that anyone said publicly. I think we need to apply a bit of a filter, so that only the really newsworthy reactions (those that get commented on by third parties?) are

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No, just like I wrote in the article: "But Beirich says such groups have been growing over the past 10 years and "for several years South Carolina has been the place with the highest density of hate groups." Why you both - InedibleHulk and Knowledgekid87 - do not want to admit it is racism?

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White militia began to arrest both freemen and slaves, 10 that weekend, and many more in the days that followed. Vesey, a freeman, was captured on June 22. It’s not just the executors of the “war on terror” who have used euphemisms to describe torture. A Charleston official referred to the

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You didn't just trim it, you cut the 88 and 1488 white supremacist allusions completely — that's kind of a whitewash, to my jaded eyes at least, given that those codes firmly establish the influence white supremacist websites and their affiliate organizations had on Roof's thinking. The

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That's a reasonable option, but when feasible, we usually base our articles' titles on common usage among reliable sources (thereby maximizing their recognizability to readers). Currently, "Charleston church shooting" better meets that goal. (This is subject to change, of course.)

2512:, he said it had been planned for Sunday night, June 16, 1822, and was effectively foiled on a couple days' notice. I don't have access to Denmark Vesey's more recent biographies, but Knowledge (XXG) needs reliable sources and should not vector a false blogging meme like this. — 2459:

a citation needed marker to it. I was just wondering why, since this isn't an idea that needs support from an authority, but a simple statement of historical fact. Does Knowledge (XXG)'s standards require citations for plain historical facts like this, such as dates of events?

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Seriously this isn't uncyclopedia. The link provided says that they're just going to do what they are best at doing, being cockroaches by picketing at murdered people funerals. The disgust me and they disgust everone else but this is not a blog and is not meant to be a blog.

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If I wasn't clear (and I wasn't, exactly), these same things can be included by just changing the apparent connection from killer cops to the media's recent obsession with white-on-black violence. You don't even have to change the sources or most of the words. Just your mind.

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Not sure about the degrees of increase: hater, racist, white supremacist, bowlcutmasterrace, crypto-fascist: according to the Anti-Defamation League, 1488 is a widely used symbol that combines a 14-word white-supremacist slogan and a code for the phrase "Heil Hitler.":

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in the environment could make havoc with the data in ways that aren't controlled. This is all too OR for me to put into the article at the moment, but I think it's worth being on the lookout to see if any source we can use goes ahead and really deconstructs this myth.

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the significance of the connection before the connection should be noted. A billion coincidences happen each day, and we can't note everything we notice. But if a pro writer publishes it, it's good to go. I recently noticed Dusty Rhodes died on Magnum T.A.'s birthday

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Am I the only one that thinks the amount of detail in the Manifesto section is excessive? For starters I would delete the paragraph (next to last) that describes the some of the pictures and explains their significance/symbolism. TMI! His words are enough.

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However, a "criminal record" consists of convictions, not arrests. If he was convicted or plead guilty, we should make that clear. If he was acquitted or charges were never brought against him, we should make that clear also and drop the 'criminal record'.

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I saw a lot of news sources saying that Rev. Pinckney's sister was one of the nine victims, but haven't heard any further information as to the veracity of this claim. Was that mis-reporting? Just wanted to clarify this if it was in fact true. Thanks. -

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I'd advocate disregarding all amateur Knowledge (XXG) legal opinion. In this case, an editor's analysis of whether or not the ideals of copyright are being upheld by a purported violation has very little to do with the actual application of the policy.

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I agree with waiting for more coverage and analysis. There will be plenty of it, probably tomorrow, when reporters and others have had a little more time to dig into this thing. (Better them than me.) However, I do think quotes from him are important,

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Though that Phillips guy could only answer "Maybe" (essentially) to the question he asked himself after cobbling together his own definiton from pieces of others. And that next one doesn't seem to know the difference between "terror" and "terrorism".

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Wait, actually, Jon Stewart's and Fox and Friends' reactions might be notable. We just have to split them off into different sections. Since they received third-party coverage from notable, reliable sources, these reactions should still be included.

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Might be prudent to start a section on the media coverage, where we can discuss (and source) this perceived double standard. Makes more sense than continually reverting people who are trying to make some sort of social point with poor or no sources.

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The way this is written makes it unclear if the shooter is alleged to have said that, or if that's a conclusion people came to afterwards. It should probably also state that she didn't hear that from the survivor, but from relatives of the victims.

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I'd have rathered you answered my question. I don't see the relevant point in this new story, either, unless you're hinting that I'm a biased white journalist. In that case, I'll note that I also resisted this shit for Tsarnaev and Zehaf-Bibeau.

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This is a good point, but citing policy against using Knowledge (XXG)'s voice to call something terrorism is a vastly different thing from stating that it manifestly can't be terrorism because he was just acting out of white supremacist motives.

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If reliable sources report that the killer chose the date because of its historical significance, then of course it should be mentioned in the article. Until then, we should consider it a a two in 365 coincidence that should not be mentioned.

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On Thursday, investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Perez and Bruer.

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quotes or in-depth discussion of specific white supremacist ideas, and just look for secondary sources that interview academic experts in neo-nazi movements to discuss the issue (to avoid warring over how much primary material to include).

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I am not interested in a debate about 'journalistic rights - this is not a forum. And Knowledge (XXG) policy on linking to copyright violations is clear and unequivocal. If you want to propose it be amended, this isn't the place to do so.

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that "Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals." This ties into his apparent statements about Blacks raping white women, and is an idea that has previously been discussed in racist forums.

1214:"Shooting" is an objectively accurate term, so we use it by default. "Massacre", conversely, carries implications regarding the perpetrator's motive and strategy, along with the outcome's severity and iniquitousness. At Knowledge (XXG), 1292:

In cases such as this one, we usually have some editors who are eager to adopt the "massacre" label. This sentiment stems more from a sense of moral outrage (which is entirely understandable, of course) than from any practical urgency.

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should have been added. But that ideal always gets swamped by Wikipedians' and the mainstream media's love of the stuff. While the section indeed exists, it only makes sense to limit it to the sorts of people known for public responses

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link to copyright violations - for some reason, people are uploading Roof's 'manifesto' to Wikisource, in violation of copyright. It will undoubtedly be deleted there, but meanwhile, any links to the Wikisource copy must be removed.

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Hi ThurstonHowell3rd, I am resilient, cool and calm ;-) Please, I did not count Jon Stewart a reference, he is a comedian. I was not enthusiastic, just a little sarcastic. I did not quoted him as a reliable source in the article.

3361:- I haven't accessed the original, but I'd like to see examination of the study size and whether college students are truly good controls for one another. A 2007 study, which says it refutes the 1986 one, says the testosterone is 2139:

IP person. I read what you have written but you are letting your enthusiasm take over. Perhaps you should take a break and let some additional facts of the case be brought public. And Jon Stewart? The actor? Death to Smoochy?

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Every other source I've seen says it's "Roof". A guy named "Dylan Roof" said on Facebook that he and "Dylann Roof" have been confused for each other in the past (and today's not a good day for it either). "Roff" is likely a typo.

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Shouldn't the "Victims" section have more details of the victims other than "Bible study member", "pastor", "reverend", etc.? They should be accompanied by more detail that makes these victims seem a little less like statistics.

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I know somebody will want to put 2015 in front, but that is not needed. The title we have on the article is what will show up on a google search. If we put 2015 in front it is not as likely to show up, even if we have redirects.

3983:"Finally, regarding intimidation of a wider audience, the shooter reportedly left one person alive to spread the message." Even if this person exists, how does one equal the other? What was the message and who did she tell? 1413:, for example, discussing the role that church played in desegregation efforts and other events across Birmingham at the time, even though the bombers didn't ever explicitly that was why they attacked that particular church. 2912:

Rand Paul was in Washington, which has nothing to do with Charleston. I removed his relatively lengthy reaction, which was re-added and later thrown out with some bathwater. Figured this is the best section to mention it.

737:"Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious." 4788:

OK, since you agree I removed the blockquote format. Personally I wondered if the Fox & Friends and NRA comments were included here for political purposes, possibly to make the commenters look extreme or outrageous.

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Regarding info from IP user: 91.10.20.166 I would suggest that non-biased information be used. SPLC has been deemed biased and considered a hate group of their own. And using stuff from thegrio.com is not credible.

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Seems there is a dispute on the pistol and if he was given the pistol or he bought it on his own. Current news report indicates he bought it. The gun Roof turned 21 in April, and a short time later he had a gun.

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Actually, these right-wing commenters apparently advocate bringing guns to hospitals, schools, and churches, just in case you have to shoot someone. You never know when some hospital patient or schoolchild might be

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Although South Carolina is one of several states around the country that issue concealed carry licenses on a “shall issue” basis, legal gun owners are not permitted to carry their firearms into places of worship.

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The Charleston, S.C., church massacre is already drawing comparisons to the tragedies at the Sandy Hook School in Newtown, Conn., and at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo. because it happened in a gun-free zone.

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More than a quirk, describing an incident in which multiple people were shot as a "shooting" is the prevailing convention in American English. (In some English varieties, the preferred term is "shootings".)

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How is advancing white supremacy not an ideological goal? Assuming the accuracy of "You rape our women and you're taking over our country. And you have to go," that's unambiguously an ideological statement.

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Racism hasn't suddenly grown since Trayvon Martin, just the 24-hour news coverage of it. That's also the charged part. That connection will carry through to this, even if the part about white police doesn't.

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Roof purchased a Glock .45-caliber model 41, which holds 13 rounds, a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said. Witnesses have reported that Roof reloaded a number of times.

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IMO we should give as little credence/reporting as possible to his manifesto - not debunk his weird theories but ignore them. We should stick to the aspects of the manifesto which become widely reported.

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One was in Charleston that day, one cancelled his Charleston trip. What Cornell Brooks is doing here, besides not liking it and fitting into the pre-established racism narrative, is the harder question.

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Why is terrorism and hate crime suspected and murder isn't. We don't know that it was actually murder. If we're going to be incredibly stubborn on evidence of terrorism and racism, why not on murder?

4460:"And it's beyond dispute that he was motivated by racism." No, no it isn't. Please stop exploiting a tragedy to further your personal political agenda. That goes to the anonymous race-hustler too. 4119: 756:

Hey everyone! I have literally about 30 seconds until I have to get back to work so I don't have time to put the thumbnail in, but I took a picture outside the prayer service today (this one:

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it is still important to contextualize this shooting through the long history of racially-motivated attacks on politically-active historically black churches in the US. We do this with the

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Where's the controversy? He admitted it twelve years ago, and was reprimanded. No argument. A different judge is presiding over the trial part. No (real or imagined) conflict of interest.

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It's not exactly bad, as is. The year wouldn't distinguish it from any past Charleston church shootings, but we don't know what the future holds. Maybe we shouldn't consider the future.

6052:, and it turned into Knowledge (XXG)'s own debate on the matter. But as a side effect, relevant sources were found and shit got done. Not the Media section, but some things. Same here. 1999:

It is completely contrary to policy to disregard the legitimate input of IP editors just because they are IP editors. Please cease and desist from counterptoductive ad hominem attacks,

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is my choice. Only one Charleston with a church shooting this year. Sure, they were multiple shootings, but that's just a quirk of English, and one Knowledge (XXG) has come to accept.

5878:'Fair use' doesn't even remotely cover copying an entire document, without any commentary whatsoever, as occurred on Wikisource. That was a clear and unequivocal copyright violation. 4833:

I agree that the reactions should stick to just the core three/Mayor/Gov/President as the rest are just filler trying to make themselves relevant by commenting on something topical.

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Yes, it is written in the subjunctive because reliable security will only be acquired by a judge. It was "seems to be" a racially motivated crime, it "seems not to be" a love crime.--

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article which states (and sources) the planned rebellion for June 16, 1822, not June 17, 1822, and 2) because this dubious anniversary factoid was credited to Raw Story, which is not

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It's never clear what any high-ranking official bases his decision on, but it's safe to assume that if you know a detail about a major crime, the Director of the FBI heard it first.

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They're based on actual facts, though. We can note a simple fact about where guns are and aren't allowed without blaming Obama or ISIS or gay marriage or any of that noise. Can't we?

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Somebody had removed that qualifier, so I deleted the whole thing. I was reverted, because the Waco dead apparently weren't civilians. I beg to differ. Most importantly, unsourced.

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On second thought, I'm going to hold off and wait for more coverage. I don't want to make emotional edits, and I think this icky awful day of revelations is getting to me. TMI! —

4774:. I do find it puzzling that we're giving as much prominence to Fox & Friends as we are, considering the relative low quality (in terms of notability) of the opinion offered. 1437:

One deals with alledged racism by cops though while this deals with racism by a lone wolf killer. The KKK and the 1963 bit fit as they were church attacks by known hate groups. -

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Did you read the aforementioned explanation? I mean that it isn't for us to decide whether the incident constitutes a "massacre" (for the purposes of assigning it a designation).

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that DOJ is investigating the shooting as an act of terrorism. I generally view Vox as a mid-quality RS, but I assume that more high-quality sources will pick this up shortly.

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affinity. Yes, the article depends on reporting and analysis and not merely on my opinion, so I'm holding back from editing. But I don't really know what more you need here. —

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The Topeka-based terrorist organization Westboro Baptist Church claimed responsibility for the attacks, threatening more terror attacks against the funerals of those murdered.

3711:(despite my own contribution to that discussion), but you cannot seriously believe that Roof was referring only to the people in the room rather than black people in general. 3971:

Even that guy only says "A racist political motivation seems likely..." Probably why the headline's a question, eh?. Knowledge (XXG) is about what is, not what seems likely.

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Quite true. Here's a sad report: A week before the shootings some of his friends hid his gun, because he was talking about killing people, but they "had to give it back". --

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I think the sentence currently included is sufficient. We don't need a bunch of campaign quotes on the page and Clinton shouldn't get special treatment to be included.

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There seems to be confusion over the suspects name. Seeing that in a police briefing the name is spelled as "Roff" I would go with that for the time being, Thoughts? -

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interrogations the captured men were subject to like this: “No means which experience or ingenuity could devise were left unessayed to eviscerate the plot.”<< --

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According to the article, " then began to disagree when they began speaking about Scripture." Do the citations support him actively participating in the Bible study?

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So here's something weird: the manifesto specifically cites reading the Knowledge (XXG) article on Trayvon Martin as the event that drove Roof to "racial awareness."

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Thank you, anonymous of Fort Lauderdale. Do you have the declaration from the relevant police, courts and government to call it such, or is this just your opinion?

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Anyway, this section went way off track, but it did provide plenty of sources for the Media section it was orginally about. Maybe someone can work on that today.

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The "gun-free zone" did not prevent the murderer from killing innocent people, but it did prevent those innocent people from being allowed to defend themselves:

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This lady says he reloaded five times, but the way she says it doesn't make sense to me. Not sure if it's valid but I thought I'd share it on the talk page.

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Racism is a large scope, how do you explain the black police officers involved in the Baltimore incident? We should keep this as a neutral point of view. -

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What basis is there for referring to this as a "shooting" rather than a "massacre"? Nine people were killed. Massacre is by far the more appropriate label.

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The manifesto may not be up to Wikimedia Commons' high expectations, but we can and do link to the full text of the manifesto in our reference to Gawker's

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likely that media will label it a terrorist attack, but there's no harm in waiting until there's plenty of strong sources that make that judgement for us.

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Which site are you referring to? The material on Wikisource isn't 'fair use' - it isn't being used at all, just copied without any commentary whatsoever.

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We have a quote from the suspect's uncle saying that his nephew had no driver's license, and we also have material about Confederate paraphernalia on

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But maybe we don't have to. General audiences probably take it for granted that hospitals, schools and churches aren't where guns are supposed to be.

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place amid a broader context of both public and private violence against black American communities, which spawned the Black Lives Matter movement.

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I agree with the application of this filter, but the examples MelanieN points out as being excessive actually received third-party coverage, from

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respectively. That being the case I believe they should remain. I also agree with the removal of blockquotes; the section is now more readable.--

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How to win an argument as a Liberal race-hustler- step one: scream "FOX NEWS", and you distract from the false nature of your subsequent remarks.

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Most of those other subheadings also probably belong after the "shooting", not "background". Really the background doesn't need any subheadings.

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Don't they always seem to jump into events like this? Would only recommend adding it back if they show up for one of their protest pickets.

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Just read through the current version and how it is listed now is sufficient with short statements from the mayor, governor and president.

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Cullen328, if they had substance to their input regarding the shooting at the church vs pushing racism as the whole of the article, maybe.

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Agreed, "shooting" is more neutral and is the preferred description in similar articles. "Massacre" is too much like non-NPOV journalism.--

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to that goal. Terrorism would be demanding their deportation (or something), and using killing as a consequence if the demand isn't met.

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may explain why some are insisting on adding "terrorist" and "white supremacist". It also may encourage more to follow, facts be damned.

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being added to his record is, believe me, the least of this kid's worries. And, also, the least of the judicial system's worries.

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According to his roommate, Roof expressed his support of racial segregation in the United States and had intended to start a civil war.

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Ooooh, please, just play by the rules and learn to life with IPs/minorities. Behind some are really nice and well-educated girls ;-) --

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that presidential candidate Rick Perry had described the massacre as an "accident", though later claimed he had been misunderstood. --

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No, he almost certainly meant blacks in general. That only makes him a racist, not a terrorist. I meant he only made some of them go.

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It certainly can be trimmed of excess detail, but it is still worth noting that he had both neo-Nazi and neo-Confederate obsessions.

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before either this article or that one got too big and we had competing articles. We can sort out details about this as we proceed.

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Thanks 91.10.1.219 -- It looks like the reference has been removed and may have been incorrect info. Thanks for the reply. Best -

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goal, and which deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians)."

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Yes, better, because it does it explain why some are saying the anniversary, and some the anniversary and a day. While wary of

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Wow, didn't know that Dusty had a connection to Magnum T.A. and John Wayne. Interdasting. Hard times, Big Daddy, hard times.

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http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/06/21/charleston-shooters-manifesto-indicates-sound-knowledge-of-white-nationalist-ideology

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Your narrative argument might have more credence if you were registered as a user and not just commenting as an IP address.

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Not entirely true. A person with a concealed carry permit could bring their gun to the church if the church gives permission.

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is original research enough, but when it's the guy responsible for investigating domestic terrorism, it's even more futile.

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over whether the shooting occurred on 193rd anniversary of the planned 1822 uprising or on the day after. When abolitionist

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Will need to wait until the police state the type of firearm he used and number of magazines, if any found, at the scene.

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Interesting. The word "terrorism" seems to have mysteriously vanished from that article, within the past couple of hours.

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I'm definitely not a lawyer, so I won't advocate disregarding me or not. Except for the striked parts. Don't read those!

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A source connecting it to an attack that didn't use guns and happened half a century ago in another state is also needed.

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a fine compromise, or does comparing him to Obama and "the founding fathers" really add something useful to this topic?

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point, it would be appropriate to rename the article accordingly. It's simply too soon to know whether this will occur.

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The right/left thing doesn't matter to many readers. The important thing is whether it's true and whether it's notable.

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Be best to see how this eventually shakes out instead of trying to figure out everything within the first day or two.

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If getting killed by cops is worse than getting killed by cops in the news, why does nobody get Twitter outraged about

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Please guys, tell me you're at least getting a big paycheck for your race-hustling like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

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I'll try to incorporate it into edits tomorrow. I still support deleting the un-nuanced and badly-sourced sentence. —

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Sure, they were multiple shootings, but that's just a quirk of English, and one Knowledge (XXG) has come to accept.

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http://www.13wham.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/fbi-director-charleston-shooting-not-terrorism-23949.shtml

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Saw breaking news pop up on my Facebook feed, the FBI director has said the shooting is NOT an act of terrorism.

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Yes that is a source by a reverend who supports the black lives matter cause, where are your multiple sources? -

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violating Roof's copyright, but printing it under fair use rules. Different from linking to the YouTube copy of

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in turn, frees whites or even a subset of whites that share the culprit's racist ideology from collective guilt.

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Sunday, June 16, turned to Monday, June 17.” And they identified Vesey’s church as the center of the conspiracy.

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Why Recognizing The Charleston Church Shooting As An Act Of Racially Motivated Terrorism Is Only The First Step

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Criminal records often encompass arrests, but we should be as clear as possible about Roof's prior offenses.

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It was the deadliest attack at an American place of worship since a 1991 mass murder at the Wat Promkunaram

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mind) is relevant here in this discussion. Nor yours. I have identified four references and quoted them. --

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is the suggested rationale, not terrorizing people in the communion line, and not for nothing, but we are,

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not legally) a "kid". It's an insignificant moniker. The thrust of this thread is his driving record.

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Except that it's also not clear that he'd been briefed on the manifesto at the time he made that comment.

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Definitely I agree the victims should get more coverage - otherwise we might as well move this article to

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to say cops killing blacks is imaginary or a small deal. Just that they kill too many of every race, and

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This is why Knowledge (XXG) shouldn't let uninvolved politicians talk. Someone always tries to spin it.

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Yes, I agree with your policy argument. I disagree with the previous argument that had been advanced.

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Again comparing this event to the cop killings is not linked both can be considered racism yes but per

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Well, yes. The term terrorism, and the act, is almost exclusively reserved for Arab or Muslim actors!

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Information is still coming out. If/when RS define act as terrorism, that's when it'd be appropriate.

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Also, without advocating for bringing guns to church, it shouldn't take much brainpower to see that

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Obama and Haley make sense, since they figuratively run the state and country where this happened.

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Note the problem was vivid images of racism, rather than racism itself. Same deal with Abu Ghraib (

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The material has now been removed from Wikisource. As for Gawker, it is less clear-cut since they

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/4306136917001/geraldo-charleston-massacre-an-act-of-domestic-terrorism

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And to a lesser extent, for the Tulsa race riots and the Plagues of Egypt. Weird conversations.

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He claims he said "incident", and that's possible. In any case, too trivial to include here. --

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called his finisher the Celtic Cross. A bit violent, but only in a pro wrestling way. Nothing

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interview with terrorism expert Brian Philips, the attack in Charleston is clearly terrorism.

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I think it would be a useful and responsible thing if we can discuss Roof's manifesto's claim

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It's called racism. The purpose of racism is much clearer when we call it "white supremacy"!--

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/18/us-usa-shooting-south-carolina-idUSKBN0OY06A20150618

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could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldn’t cause much of a problem” (per

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on John Wayne's deathday, but could only note the latter. We have to set the bar somewhere.

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Yeah, these things evolve. I started proposing a section about the terrorism and supremacy

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Since the shooting was at a notable location, why not just use that for the title (as with

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commenting on it - and I started this thread because of links to Wikisource, not Gawker.

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supremacist infiltration of law enforcement” represented a significant national threat.

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http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/18/charleston-church-massacre-happened-in-gun-free-zone/

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I'm removing the refimprove and disputed tags. If the editor who tagged the article (

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I think it's beyond dispute that the elements of murder were satisfied in this case.

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would be excessive unless another notable Charleston church shooting has occurred. —

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It's not a shooting it's a Terrorist Attack, and it's a Racial Terrorist attack.

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Worse for the government, I mean. Of course the abuse sucked more for the victims.

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Ed: I see now the man is now 21 and this was when he was 19. Ignore what I said.

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disallowing an author to collect profits of published works about their crimes.

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Judge Who Presided Over Dylann Roof Bond Hearing Was Reprimanded for Racial Slur

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fix it, but not what he thinks will, even though it's the essence of the speech.

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This article should mention that this massacre took place in a "gun-free zone."

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Daily Show's Jon Stewart on Charleston shooting: 'This was a terrorist attack'

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long before we here on Knowledge (XXG) did it. Look up the links above ;-) --

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rampage at all if we didn't try to address the question of why it happened.

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Promotes coatracking, does not seem to be leading in productive directions—

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But you delete it completely! It's not up to you to measure the weight! --

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states that repealed the law and never replaced it. Disregard the above.

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about racism there, even though he's the whitest man on TV (except maybe

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Why Are Media Organizations So Reluctant to Call Dylann Roof a Terrorist?

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Did a notable church shooting occur in any Charleston in a previous year?

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Plans changed, back today. But I still don't feel like doing this now.

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https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

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he 's holding a Glock and a Confederate Flag, and posted a manifesto —

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Aye. Might fit in the "Media" section, but that still doesn't exist.

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Yes, when it's sourced, there's nothing Knowledge (XXG) can do. Even

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Here's a better source, which also says that he reloaded five times:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting.html

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Was anyone directly involved with this incident aware of the date?--

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may not be the most objective source, but it's better than garbage.

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Another thing to consider is that copyright isn't meant so much to

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Agree, let's keep track of this. It has so far been picked up by

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I trimmed excess detail, but not much from his racist statements.

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Which is it? Did he live with his parents, or with a roommate? --

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I'm generally against Reaction sections, so the simple answer is

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I agree. Douglas Egerton, a biographer of Denmark Vesey, said he

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I removed statement as it was 1) incorrect, and not supported by

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General audiences aren't Yosemite Sam. But yeah, those do exist.

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so using his work isn't going to impact his financial potential.

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many black people as well. Wouldn't know it to see it, though.

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According to a childhood friend, Roof went on a rant about the

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Talking points are often misleading at best, hence my point. –

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hospitals or medical facilities. (S.C. Code Ann.§ 23-31-215.)”

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And I'm certainly not arguing with you about that definition.

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http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/1488.html

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groups share a lot of overlap but they are not identical. --

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He is 21 years old, not exactly considered a "kid" anymore.

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Agree with Ianmacm, clunky title, should be changed back. -

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For those who understand what needs to be changed properly:

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Someone decided to put it at "shooting", so it clearly is.

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His salute written in the sand makes him a neo-fascist. --

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Just a news tie-in to generate new content by the media.

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I have no opinion on what is or isn't a terrorist here. -

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this although I certainly wouldn't call it "Bible study".

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wrote about the failed uprising in the June 1861 issue of

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Would anyone like to add this into the article somewhere?

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https://twitter.com/BillieJeanTV/status/611444475085352961

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And it's beyond dispute that he was motivated by racism.

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Intimidating a wider audience than the immediate victims.

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Same but at least Obama and local politicians make sense.

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to discuss whether or not this category is necessary. ---

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would have been carrying a gun to church if it were legal

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Nope. It's not disputable. Actually, when you factor in

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He had a prior criminal record consisting of two arrests

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I saw that as well and that reminded me of the scene in

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if there have been any other noteworthy shootings there.

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For Knowledge (XXG)'s stance on the general issue, see

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taking racist photos and participating in mass murder.

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Maybe, if we get this section going. Sort of the point.

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It could also be terrorism if the killer was part of a

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different, but then says estrogen might be different!

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That set off alarms for me too, but apparently the NYT

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Unproductive discussion, veering into personal insults

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Perpetrated by an individual or non-governmental group

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In this case, as Wnt says, we know the external site

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section? It contains many similar opinions to yours.

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on this ADL informational page). At the bottom is an

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Charleston Church Massacre Happened In Gun-Free Zone

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Moved content over here from 2015 Charleston shooting

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won a Pulitzer in history, so that's a fine source.

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not a forum for discussing the meaning of terrorism

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Photos from Prayer Vigil morning after the shooting

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