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Christians being under-counted in censuses, other surveys too provide the same figures. In the nationally represented Egyptian Demographic and Health Survey of 2008, about 5% of the respondents were reported Christian. Qscience Connect analysed data from the same 2008 survey and found out that there are about 4,274,145 Copts in Egypt. Other estimates are not based on surveys, per se. Yet reputed government agencies like US Department of state, the CIA and the UK Foreign & Commonwealth Office estimate the Egyptian Christian population at 9 to 10% (close to 10 million). Likewise media houses with some repute like the BBC and CNN estimate the Coptic Christian population between 6 to 11 million. The incorrect previous estimate of 20 to 30 million Egyptian Christians, merely based on the claims of the Coptic Orthodox church was way above all these estimates by reliable and reputed sources. The poor sources cited for such an unrealistic figure were dubious and unreliable. Hence rounded Coptic Orthodox population at 10 million as in other Knowledge articles like the list of Christian denominations by number of members. Please note that this figure of 10 million is more than double the survey results and would include the Coptic diaspora.--
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hello people i just dont know who wrote that christianity in egypt ranges from 10% to 20%!!! by the way iam egyptian and any one came to egypt will know that the percentage of christians in egypt is no more than 10% offcourse thats more than the official figures which state that christian percentage
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