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But wouldn't "Brake" make more sense? The "Chrono Cross" was an object, "trigger" can be a reference to an object as well... So "Brake" would work pretty well, here. How can you tell which of the two spellings, "Brake" and "Break", is an "on-the-spot" one? You could argue that
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Look, just give it up. At this point, you've been reverted by 4 people, and I would also revert you. There's a well-sourced article about the subject, so it meets the guidelines. It's nice that you feel like you're "defending the wiki" or something but this is a consensus-driven site and no one
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