233:** Hmm, good question. I don't think Ice-out is as much about climate as much as it's about an event that is affected by climate. I would consider Ice out, Dust storms, forest fires in that category. However, I think Floods could also be put in that same group, since it's a result of a climate condition. The reason why I put floods in there in the first place is becuase Minnesota has seen 2 or 3 really devestating floods over the past 10-15 years, but for consistencies sake maybe it should be removed. Or, maybe we could add another section devoted to topics not directly related to climate, but of natural phenomena affected by climate. Or maybe none of them belong in this article. Thoughts?
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September - November is the least active in Minnesota, with the exception of the early season blizzard. I'm just not sure what you can write about that. There is always things with the leaves & grasses turning colors, but that's doesn't really fit into this article IMO.
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The book goes in this order, if you care: winter - coldest places, winter storms, siginifcant days - spring - snowmelt floods, may rituals, metorilogical lamentations, siginificant days - summer -hottest places, severe convection weather, growing season, significant days - fall - indian summe, fire
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Climate of States (though there are some for climate for cities, but those won't work here...). I also have
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This week would not be a good one for me to be around to answer questions, next week would be much better. I'd also like to go through it one more time to make sure everything still looks okay to me. The one thing that jumps out right away are the lists I have for tornadoes and blizzards. From
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