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This section is purely political. There is no question that the climate page of a sovereign state should or shouldn't exist. Please stop removing this page. As I say I am very happy to have an all-island climate page in addition, however as
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It's presumably poltically motivated given the current existence of northern ireland as a separate state to the republic of ireland. Nature surely doesn't care about such petty human boundaries: Ireland (Hibernia) is one island, and differs from north to south climate-wise even less than the island
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accusation against those (especially me) who are trying to sort out a possible problem. It's not purely political. Climate is not a political issue. In effect, by insisting it's your way or no way, you are the one bringing politics into this. You need to rein in the rhetoric and start using
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separate from the Republic of Ireland. Both countries are served by different national weather services. The weather service of the Republic does not have weather stations in Northern Ireland. Deleting the NI page is an aggressive political act.
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