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enforcement organizations who provided NO EVIDENCE for classifying
Juggalos as a gang. Insane Clown Posse is suing the FBI because Psychopathic Records asked the FBI for evidence to classify "Juggalo" as a gang, and the FBI refused to provide it. Because there is NO EVIDENCE of Juggalos being a "loosely organized hybrid gang", because they are NOT a loosely organized hybrid gang, they are fans of a rap group/label.
163:"Attributed" asserts neutrality, but don't write things like "ICP insist that they are oppose to racism". They've written numerous songs DIRECTLY opposing racism. The song "Chicken Huntin'" is about killing people for being racist. "Your Rebel Flag" insults the KKK. Numerous other songs are anti-racist. ICP is a quarter Native American. They have Native American and African American rappers on their label.
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These allegations were made without evidence. There is no evidence of "Juggalo gangs". The reason why ICP is suing the FBI is because
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I rewrote some parts to try and make the article more objective. I'll peer review the article to find out if this is a neutral subject, and I also want someone to check the sources to make sure that they're reliable. I almost removed a few of the sources here, but I figured I'd ask around. I really
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Juggalos are NOT a "loosely organized hybrid gang", they are a music fanbase. Describing them as a gang against general consensus of sources DEFINITELY violates NPOV. The majority of sources do not point to
Juggalos being a gang. They are a MUSIC FANBASE. Those above sources are government and law
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No, it is not "edit warring". We are talking about real people here who are negatively affected by false information and slander. How you do not see your problem with bias is astounding. No, I will not be blocked, because I am right and you are wrong. You are slandering a music fanbase because of
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Um, they DO have evidence. Just because you disagree doesn't nullify it. This isn't a BLP issue. The group isn't a BLP any more than
General Motors is a BLP. So stop throwing that out there. You misunderstand NPOV. The article has to present that sources neutrally. NPOV doesn't mean that sources
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it is not reliable in relation to the claim that needs verification. How can you verify information with sources that do not justify their own claims? Juggalos are NOT a gang and they are NOT a "loosely-organized hybrid gang", they are a music fanbase, and these sources are
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your own bias, using sources that do not contain factually verfiable evidence to classify a MUSIC FANBASE as a gang. How you do not understand these issues is astounding. You have shown a clear LACK OF UNDERSTANDING in regard to
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Juggalo groups have been identified in more than 21 states, not just fan groups. Fans of the Insane Clown Posse reside in all 50 states, and as stated before, not all fans of Insane Clown Posse are
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can't say bad things about the subject. There is a difference. BTW, you really need to cool it on your edit warring. Your repeated removal of the same thing in several articles is far past the edit war threshold.
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Juggalo groups, and the sources in question clearly state that
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None of the recent edits, which make claims such as "virtually all
Juggalos and many law enforcement agencies", have not been sourced. If such claims can be verified with a valid source, they can be added.
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To answer your question, if Mozart had groups of fans who all wore yellow ribbons and collectively committed crimes in association with organized crime groups, then, yes, they would be considered a gang.
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I'm giving you fair warning. It IS edit warring and if you continue it, you'll find yourself blocked from editing. Expect to see a link to this diff and others when you refuse to stop and get blocked.
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nationwide, and have been documented cooperating with some of the most violent and dangerous street and prison gangs in the United States. Once again, all of this is properly sourced and referenced.
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a gang. The fact that the FBI does not have any evidence to justify classifying "Juggalo" as a gang should call the neutrality into question here. You have directly ignored the issue of
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Juggalos in general. Music has not been linked to criminal activity, but we're not talking about music, we're talking about members of a music subculture who engage in organized crime.
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say the Juggalos "are classified as a gang" by several states and are "a loosely-organized hybrid gang". Reliable sources do not have to provide evidence meeting your criteria.
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group, Juggalos are a hip hop fanbase, hip hop is a genre created by African Americans and the lyrics of ICP oppose racism. THERE ARE NO JUGGALO GANGS or racist Juggalos. --
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Juggalos are fans of Insane Clown Posse...that's all they are...anyone who tries to bomb this entry with criminal/industrial industry trolling will get their edits revised.
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to call yourself a Juggalo, which means that Juggalos are not strictly "fans of the band Insane Clown Posse". I can find a source for this if it would help.
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hell no is the answer...so yeah, fine put your stupid wikipedia on 'juggalo criminals' but it will not be trolled!
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