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a San Jose resident and a strategic planner working for Cupertino's Sanitary Division. I grew up near Monta Vista, a suburb of Cupertino). I suggest (with all due respect) that you check your definitions in a U.S. geography text or even here on Knowledge (XXG): "In the United States and Canada, suburb usually refers to a separate municipality, borough, or unincorporated area outside a town or city". i.e. a suburb is an indistinct unincorporated development at the outskirts of the existing limits of a central city or town area: hence "sub"-"urban". Discrete incorporated cities that have their own administrative boundaries that did not originally border each other but grew until they did are more correctly called conurbations, not suburbs. Although the town of Cupertino grew up separately and would have been considered a satellite or suburb of San Jose or Santa Clara pre-WWII, it was officially incorporated as a city in its own right in the 50s; this was precisely to establish its own city status and avoid the tag of "suburb of San Jose", and prevent annexation to any of the numerous sprawling city areas that were encroaching on it in the post-war period. If (again, with due respect) your assessment was correct, then Cupertino would be a suburb of each of the cities of San Jose, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara, Saratoga and Campbell, and they would all be suburbs of Cupertino at the same time. Altogether, they form part of the conurbation of Santa Clara Valley, or Silicon Valley, or whatever name might be chosen for the wider urban region. If Cupertino was not incorporated as a city, then today I guess it could quite rightly be considered a suburb of one or other of the other beighbouring cities. Some of us may refer to "suburban cities", but that doesn't make it correct.
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if I don't speak whatever you believe counts as the only vocabulary that makes someone an "American". Second, conurbation is a technical term, used worldwide - and as a technical term it is not necessarily the same as "metropolitan area" - look it up in your Funk & Wagnalls. As to my profession... you're joking, right? You really think that's what the Talk page is for? Try to debate a point by reasonable argument, or don't bother. The bottom line of my post is that this is an online encyclopedia, and if we are to provide accurate definitions of terms, then conflating them with colloquialisms causes confusion. Of course the outsider could think Cupertino was part of San Jose, just like an outsider might assume Crawley is a part of London City, Miami Gardens part of City of Miami, or Vatican City a part of the City of Rome - that doesn't make their assumptions correct! "Suburban city" is an incorrect oxymoron, like "rural town". Feel free to bounce a comment back, but less of the trolling.
206:"Most of these hi-tech companies are located on De Anza Boulvevard, Cali Mill Plaza, and Bubb Road." Who wrote this sentence? Obviously someone who hasn't been to Cupertino. While I could buy De Anza, Cali Mill Plaza isn't even a proper street; it's just a small corner of the intersection at De Anza and Stevens Creek Blvd. Bubb Road is mostly a residential street, and the short stretch just south of Stevens Creek Blvd. that has Hantronix, several Apple buildings, and a handful of pharma and network companies hardly qualifies as having many high-tech companies. This sentence needs to be edited by someone more familiar with the high-tech industry in Cupertino. 245:
compliance with all regulations that prevent such effects. The text was very careful not to actually state that the plant was in violation, but without an extremely careful read, the text seemed to say that the plant was an environmental disaster area. The section was further suspect because its token mention of history was also incorrect, placing the cement plant's construction during WWII as part of the war effort, an assertion that is completely wrong. I edited with factual information - sorry to just jump on it and edit the live page, but people advancing a point of view with unbased info really bug me.
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even most residents of the South Bay, not to mention visitors, can't find that border without the help of a map. So it appears to the outsider to be part of San Jose, like it or not. There is no doubt that each city asserts its own identity. And it's just plain Human nature to want to be proud of where you're from. But these cities are all part of the same metro area. So there's a definition of suburb that can't be argued away. Knowledge (XXG) deals with multiple definitions and perceptions, and has to roll them all into one. And no one person or region
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in the text. Source: I'm from Copertino, Italy. Even the origin of "Copertino" name is not certain; the best hypothesis is the name deriving from "conventio" (populorum), latin word for "union" or "agreement", meaning the aggregation of people survived to the descruction of some "casali" ("casale" is like a rural village). Since then, the name evolved to "Conventino", "Convertino", "Cupertino" and finally "Copertino".
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I think it would be good for the article to mention the dramatically skewed demographics of Cupertino, as compared to the county in which it is located. Whereas Santa Clara County is 32% Asian, Cupertino is 64% Asian. And whereas the county is 27% Hispanic, Cupertino is only 4%. The public schools
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Sweet Lord, you have got to be kidding me... you are actually using this talk page to claim I'm not American, rather than simply debate the point in question?? First, since when does every single person in America use exactly the same vocabulary? My family is of recent European heritage, so excuse me
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AnonIPfromIreland, you're arguing against the common perception. (And you're writing in British English, which leaves doubt about your story. I'll assume that's not a problem for now.) You know where the boundaries of Cupertino are. I know where they are too, having lived in that area before. But
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Sorry Ikluft, and Coolcaesar, I fundamentally disagree with your assessments, though I do agree that it largely comes down to a distinction between the defintiions of towns and cities (not in the colloquial sense, but the administrative sense) (Ikluft, yes I'm in Ireland on holiday right now but I'm
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Is the described origin of the toponym a verified one? Being the town named after Saint Joseph of Cupertino and the town Copertino in Italy (sister city of Cupertino), I think the toponym of the two cities has a common origin, hasn't it? In this case, the origin of the toponym is NOT that described
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Yes it can. That definition varies more widely than you were apparently aware of. (Your IP address appears to be from Ireland.) Metro areas have suburbs. Cupertino is a suburb of San Jose, and not a division of it. Both are cities with their own local governments. This happens anywhere cities
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A city can have suburbs, but it cannot BE a suburb. By definition, a suburb is a lesser division (i.e. sub) and often outlying and / or residential area of a city or major town (i.e. urban = city). No such thing as a suburban city (that would be a "less than urban urban area", or a "part of a city
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to govern itself. The latter definition is used in nearly all U.S. states, including California. A California city can rename itself a "town" if it wishes, but that's merely a cosmetic designation and for all legal purposes it is covered by all the laws applicable to cities. California did have
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I contributed most of the sections whose neutrality you are contesting. Unfortunately, I'm rather busy right now. When I have time (in August) I will go over to Cupertino Library to do some research. I think most of those points can be traced to various articles in the Cupertino Courier and the
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Another example of this is that San Francisco is referred to as the "City by the Bay," where "city" is used in the first sense, because of its extremely high population density. This is what Bay Area residents mean when they say "I went shopping in the city last week" or "I'm going to attend the
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Currently it says in the second graf of the summary: "Cupertino is not very diverse, with over 63 percent of the city's population being of Asian ancestry in 2010." This seems a bit loaded, and I might change it to something like "Cupertino is notable in that its demographics do not reflect the
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Addition 2: I noticed that someone had entered a really inflammatory paragraph about the cement plant up there in the hills, violating the OR and NPOV policies. The entry quoted uncited study data that described terrible potential effects, but failed to mention that the company is apparently in
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The term "lottery school" is also incorrect. These schools are among the four alternative programs available in CUSD. Each alternative program is available to students from all over the district, as opposed to being neighborhood schools. When applications exceed available spaces, there is a
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in American English can mean either a settled area with an extremely high population and/or density (e.g., New York City) or it can expansively refer to any legally incorporated settlement of any size. In other words, it's the default legal term for any settlement that has formed its own
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You haven't explained what problem you're reporting. Nevertheless, I've adjusted the coordinates in the article a bit to correspond to those in the cited GNIS entry. If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to provide a clear explanation of what it is.
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I kinda liked it, since im a trivia fan, but it has nothing to do with Cupertino, despite its name, so it might deserve a place in an article about typos or computer artefacts. I would vote for a stub on its own, so it can at least be found. H.A.N.D.
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Addition: There are several other instances of non-neutrality in this article. For instance, the comments about the city's logo now "actually looking like a hat", and the part about the transportation system being "excellent".
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I fully concur with Ikluft. Also, I'd like to expand on one of Ikluft's points. 86.46.32.169's story is a little odd. Americans don't use the terms "on holiday," "conurbation," or "neighbouring," they use "on vacation,"
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opera in the city." But when two residents of a Bay Area suburb share complaints about their local government, they might say, "Our city's elected officials are incompetent." This is the second usage of the term. --
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sense of the term, which is why Americans can and often do refer to "suburban cities." In this case, Cupertino is an incorporated city that functions as a suburb of two major cities, San Francisco and San
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independent of the City of Cupertino. The District also provides sewer services to portions of Saratoga, Sunnyvale, and Los Altos. A strategic planner working for a California special district would
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The cited document does indeed indicate the 34,300 figure, however it's not a factual accounting, and the perhaps more credible source, Steve Jobs, has stated a figure of 12,000 (in the area).
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and towns that did not originally border each other grew until they did. It's common in the US, and especially California where there have historically been numerous cycles of rapid growth.
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The article states several times that this town is "suburban", but nowhere does it reveal of which city it is a suburb. I happen to know, but is a foreign reader expected to guess that?--
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I am familiar with Cupertino schools and have never heard the terms "primary path" and "secondary path," nor are they mentioned or explained anywhere in the CUSD web site.
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I don't think these should be grouped together, at first glance it gives the impression that they live in the city. I think it should just be current residents.
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Is this part really necessary? It has little to do with the city itself and borders more on trivia and humor rather than encyclopedia material.
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Dilworth elementary should also be added, it is currently above the table for some reason. I tried to fix it, but its not working. --
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There's no mention of it on the city's web page about its sister cities. Do you have a means to substantiate your claim? --
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No need to mention twice, and once in the second paragraph, that Cupertino is the location of Steve Jobs' Apple Computer
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city"). Similarly, a title can have a subtitle, but a subtitle is not a main title... and so on. Cupertino may be a
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are even more dramatically skewed. This is a fairly new phenomenon in America - the elite ethnic ghetto. --
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Melissa Grelli? If you have to add such a long explanation after her listing, is she really that notable?
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The article states that Steve Jobs lives in cupertino, but I'm pretty sure he actually lives in Palo Alto
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or there are problems. So are you going to cooperate or just "fundamentally disagree" forever?
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When Juan Batista deAnza passed by in 1776, he christiened what is now Stevens Creek "Arroyo
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I've lived my whole (but short) life in the South Bay, and I've never heard either term.
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Also, a store named the Cupertino General Store was there. (Not clear on the name)
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Seems to be projected larger than it deserves to be in this article. Personal POV
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To many former and current employees, it's not pleasant. Why the word "Pleasant"?
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make that mistake of confusing the special district with a city government! --
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Isn't Cupertino also a sister city to the capital of Orissa/Odisha, India?
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Agreed. It's probably better if the whole issue were included in the
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in a "pleasant" complex circled by the playfully named Infinite Loop
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I concur. Those pejorative terms do not belong in this article. --
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lottery, but the lottery is not the defining element of the school.
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The most well-known article is the 2005 Wall Street Journal one:
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More importantly, has it been mentioned anywhere else? We need a
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Does anyone know where the name "Cupertino' came from?
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article, which I'll get around to creating sometime.
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Talk:Cupertino, California
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Coolcaesar
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06:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Ephilei
08:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
71.146.46.18
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69.228.240.57
00:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
2Track
16:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Miahavero

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