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This play of words on the name Ammon did not arise from the name itself, but presupposes the belief in the kinship of Israel and Ammon.The name Ammon itself cannot be accepted as proof of this belief, for it is obscure in origin, derived perhaps from the name of a tribal deity. A strong proof of their common origin is found in the
Ammonite language. No Ammonite inscription, it is true, has come down to us, but the Ammonite names that have been preserved belong to a dialect very nearly akin to the Hebrew; moreover, the close blood relationship of Moab and Ammon being admitted by all, the language of the Moabite Stone, almost Hebrew in form, is a strong witness to the racial affinity of Israel and Ammon. This linguistic argument vindicates the belief that Israel always entertained of his kinship with the Ammonites. The belief itself has found expression in an unmistakable manner in Genesis 19, where the origin of Ammon and his brother, Moab, is ascribed to Lot, the nephew of Abraham. This revolting narrative has usually been considered to give literal fact, but of late years it has been interpreted, e.g. by Father Lagrange, O.P., as recording a gross popular irony by which the Israelites expressed their loathing of the corrupt morals of the Moabites and Ammonites. It may be doubted, however, that such an irony would be directed against Lot himself. Other scholars see in the very depravity of these peoples a proof of the reality of the Biblical story of their incest origin. Ethnologists, interpreting the origin from the nephew of Abraham by the canons usually found true in their science, hold it as indicating that the Israelites are considered the older and more powerful tribe, while the Ammonites and Moabites are regarded as offshoots of the parent stem. The character of Genesis, which at times seems to preserve popular traditions rather than exact ethnology, is taken as a confirmation of this position. But it is not denied, at any rate, that the Hebrew tradition of the near kinship of Israel, Ammon, and Moab is correct. All three, forming together a single group, are classified as belonging to the AramĂŚan branch of the Semitic race.
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2016:: For future reference, when starting a new section on the talk page, please put it at the bottom of the page. Regarding the substance of your comment, Amun wasn't originally connected to Ra, though he developed that connection early on, probably for political reasons. (Ra was the supreme Egyptian god during the Old Kingdom, and during the First Intermediate Period and Middle Kingdoms the upstart rulers in Thebes tied their city's patron god, Amun, to Ra.) Frankfort is an old source, although sometimes still a useful one, but more recent sources still repeat his suggestion that Amun originated as a wind god. I consider it speculative myself, and I've modified this passage in the article so as not to treat Amun's wind connection as a certainty, but it's a possibility that should be covered.
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I have provided solid resources. It's that simple. The name of the god named Amen is different and used differently than the word amen. I have provided solid evidence. You have not provided evidence that proves otherwise. The hieroglyph for the word amen does not show the God in the depiction. Prove
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No, you have failed to spot the problem at hand. In egyptian, it is "AMN" and "R" which became "AMN-R". Most of the vowels and transliterations are entirely the invention of the modern world entirely for the convenience of writing in modern languages. Ammon is what the greeks called him, and so this
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I wonder, why the translation of the name Amun is not included in the text. In every other texts in the net it is mentioned: ¨The hidden one¨ ¨one who is hidden¨ There's also texts saying like: ¨One, whose nature is not known to any god¨.Could you add at least the basic translation ¨the hidden one¨
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Except that Amun was limited to one region of the world (Egypt, Nubia, and Libya), whereas Hadad and the early form of Yahweh were in the Near East, Dionysus was in Greece and Rome, and Jesus Christ and the modern Jewish form of Yahweh spread across the world. And Jesus Christ and the modern Jewish
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Yes, there was also a temple of Amun as far away as Macedonia (linked to Alexanders visit to Siwah?) and it's often overlooked that hymns to the Aten also reference Re. The A.Egyptians at that point in time didn't think he was restricted to one region or country (possibly inspired by Empire issues
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The Ammonites were a race very closely allied to the Hebrews. One use of their name itself in the Bible indicates the ancient Hebrew belief of this near relationship, for they are called BĂŠn`ĂĄmmĂŽ or "Son of my people", meaning that that race is regarded as descended from Israel's nearest relative.
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Back in 2022 I changed the infobox image of Amun to the post-Amarna depiction of him with blue skin. The original image before this change was Amun with red-brown skin, and I've recently been debating whether the infobox image should stay with the blue skin depiction or be changed to the original
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The dead soldiers were no longer taking Amun into their bodies(not breathing) whilst the survivors are full of Amun. The Dead soldiers were also cold even though they are under Raâs gaze whilst the survivors are sweating profusely. Therefore the soldiers who have had survived the battle must give
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This article could be divided if it grew to an unwieldy length. But this article doesn't come close to an unwieldy length, and neither would the two German articles even if they were merged. I can't read all the sources on Amun because many of them are in German, so I can't say for certain that a
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The blue skin is more distinctive, but I would have no objection to a return to the red-brown. (In my purely subjective opinion, which everyone can freely disregard, the lighter color for the blue-skinned version of Amun, which was introduced in 2018, doesn't work all that well. I know it was an
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Thanks for placing the material on the talk page rather than dumping it in the article. The emphasis seems to be placing Amun as a deity the Ancient Egyptian absorbed from other peoples. There have also been recent editors that sought to place his origin in Nubia. As best I know the consensus of
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The article begins "Amun was a God in Egyptian mythology and Berber Mythology", but everything that follows is exclusively from Egyptian mythology. Perhaps this should be made much clearer. Otherwise we'll have people mistakenly using this article to make spurious claims about Berber mythology.
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than being a native Hebrew word. Finally, the cult of Amun went into decline after the Assyrian sack of Thebes in 664 BC, was of only limited and local importance in Egypt during early Christian times, wasn't widely known outside Egypt by then, and like every other Egyptian cult was regarded as
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by Richard H. Wilkinson divides the entry for each major god into sections for "Mythology", "Iconography", and "Worship", and sometimes, as in Amun's entry, "Mythology" has subsections for each of a deity's major roles and indicates when each of these aspects arose. The structure I proposed for
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The article is poorly organized; most of the articles on deities are. But I'm skeptical of an entirely chronological structure. Amun's role as a hidden, mysterious god was present throughout the history of his worship, as far as I know, and his role as king of the gods was present in the Middle
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I'm not sure what to do about this, as I don't know enough about Amun's relationship with the peoples west of the Nile (who are called "Libyans", not Berbers, in Egyptological sources, though they're generally believed to be akin to modern Berbers). I don't see why his worship among the Libyans
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it was a simile. Still, for the geographical horizon of the Bronze Age, Egypt was a major empire and not a single "region". You may be right that the split is not advisable. I'll remove the split template. Well, but as you say, a lot of work is still needed in order to turn this into something
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West Semitic, to be firm, confirmed, reliable, faithful, have faith, believe. a. amen, from Hebrew mn, truly, certainly; b. Mammon, from Aramaic mmon, probably from Mishnaic Hebrew mmĂ´n, probably from earlier *mamn (? âsecurity, depositâ). Both a and b from Hebrew man, to be firm.
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article, as that article deals with the Wiccan concept rather than historical middle-eastern ones, I think the text would be better re-factored into this article, but don't have enough knowledge in this area to undertake the task properly. Thanks:
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