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I am going to transfer the Golden Ticket Awards section into two articles as stated in the split proposal. However, I am going to keep an 'uncollapsed' copy of the latest year of Golden Ticket Awards (2021) and 'uncollapse' the
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I am going to name the new articles 'List of Golden Ticket Awards before 2010' and 'List of Golden Ticket Awards after 2010'. Also, I doubt that it's necessary or needed for someone to disclose that I have been blocked on this talk page.
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Perfect Pour | Pacifica, California. I think Perfect Pour is some sort of beverage patent unrelated to the coffeeshop of the same name that is in Pacifica. Does anyone disagree?
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