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Can people please be aware when adding citations that the works are recognisable from citation details. Things like: "Lechtman & Hobbs 1986" "Mark & Hutchinson 1986" really need the full details, e.g. book title etc, possibly listed under "Works cited" if they appear more than once. At the
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Thanks to everyone who has helped quadruple the size of the article in a couple of weeks. I don't actually think it is excessively long overall, but the text is very uneven, with much copied in from a bunch of articles of very different quality levels. Apart from what you say, a read through and
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I find this statement to be very ineffective; how is it more impressive? It also quotes 'Roman citizen
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As I read it, the current title restricts the topic to the city, while the proposed title is about the architecture for Romans as a group. The article is obviously about the latter, although the former might also be a suitable topic for different article.
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I'm uneasy about the section title, 'Modern influences' as this to me implies modern influences on the architecture. Perhaps something like 'Influences on modern architecture'? Although this may be too long winded.
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