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honestly, this is problem with leaving an article on the shelf for too long. Anyway, if we all agree that editors are needed I'll rewrite the citations. If we all agree on other pieces I'll rewrite the citations. All this can be done without templates. If there's consensus for the templates, then they can be put back.
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