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you are repeating yourself almost line by line. You may not like it, but the Abel Prize is commonly described as the "Nobel Prize for
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Prestigiousness is hard to quantify, and its source is harder to track down (I think), but surely, the amount of the award and the lack of an age limit is not sufficient. Indeed, it is possible to effectively destroy the prize by repeatedly awarding it to clearly undeserving candidates – which is one
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I’m a recent changes patroller. I wasn’t getting involved in any content dispute. I nothing about these changes, all I saw was a removal without sufficient edit summary. I revert these changes quickly and editors are welcome to revert my changes if I made a mistake. My edit shouldn’t help in forming
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I don't know if there's a policy, but actually every solution has pros and contras. Taking citizenship is clear and easy (one either has another or not), but may cause some problems if he gets another one, or is revoked later, whatever. Taking the affiliation is great as well, since one may have not
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What I struggle with in my quest for this section (read a smiley-face here) is that the section keeps getting reverted because the reverting editor says "the website is not a reliable source". But I fail to understand why. What is it that you find unreliable about the website? After some go-around,
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This article has gone through a number of reversions that I do not understand. I added a section that states that among the mathematical community (of which I am a professional member), there is discontent that recipients are overwhelmingly white and male. This is the same criticism that has been
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related because a large number of sources refer to both of them as 'Nobel Prize for
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after the Nobel Prizes and the history of how it was conceived (in response to the Nobel Prizes in 1899), and mentioning other completely unrelated and different prizes in the middle of the paragraph just derails it.
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