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Every GA reviewer has a slightly different threshold for such things. In any case, I have made some direct edits to the article for some of the cite formatting issues that I raised as well as for a few other copyedits. And here are a few additional comments on more substantive matters:
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Apologies for taking a bit to get to this, I had IRL obligations. I believe I've addressed your concerns. Also, I added some information from
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If another editor takes the time and effort to suggest things that would improve an article that I wrote, I always welcome that, regardless of the level of review. But I realize that not everyone shares that perspective, so yes I should hew a little more closely to review level
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Regardless of what GACR/GACRNOT say, I think multiple sentences followed by a cite clump is a bad idea. What is the advantage? When you are writing an article, it takes no more time to write, say, "Sentence. Sentence. Sentence." than it does to write "Sentence. Sentence.
1509:– this quote sounds like it's from a Wyoming meeting and wouldn't apply to meetings in Montana or South Dakota? Would suggest breaking the long sentence this is part of into separate pieces, with individual citations instead of the clump of three cites at the end.
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Absaroka movement itself, just that there was another state that tried to found itself in a generally similar location 60 years prior. There is no link I can see and trying to force one in would violate
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political dimension. The region is overwhelmingly
Republican and there was political tension between the Democratic legislature and the Republican farmers. I have tried to avoid calling too much attention to it, because otherwise the section would degrade to
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file has the flag being red and white. But how do we know it was this particular shade of red? In other words, this particular svg seems a little too much of a current-day invention to me. Maybe the caption in the infobox could say "color approximate"?
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Wyoming found in the Walt Longmire western mystery novels and six-season television series. The connection between the state that never was and the county of the novels/series is directly made by the author of the novels, Craig Johnson, in
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Absaroka movement fell along the wayside, but the allure of escape still permeates the region today. Which may be why I base my novels in the fictitious county of Absaroka rather than a real county in northern Wyoming".
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The three states listed in the first sentence of the lede are repeated again in the very next sentence. This seems kind of awkward - I read it over a couple of times to make sure the states weren't slightly different.
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Wyoming, South Dakota, and Montana to spread state revenues more broadly to rural communities. This effort, ultimately, rendered the secessionist movement largely defunct by the end of 1939.
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article.) Then on pp. 262–263n7, it says that Professor C. M. Rowe of the
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Well, that was embarrassing. Edits should be up now. 🏵️
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