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and c/e the cite, but I am frankly a bit puzzled how to list Naruszewicz there. He is not the author of the cited chapter about himself (that's Wolska, who is also the book editor). But the book, after her chapter, reprints his poetry, so he is, errr.... dunno? Most library sources cite the book as "authored" by two authors, Wolska and Naruszewicz, but remember, this is like a collected work of Sheaskspere, with the introduction by a modern scholar. Is it really a "book by Sheakspere"? See how the cite looks now. --
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wiki is mostly unreferenced. That said, I totally agree there's plenty of scope for expansion - the chapters in the Wolska books (two tomes) are probably a but under 100 pages and there are other Polish monographs and academic articles about him, and if you think the article is right now not comprehensive enough for GA, that's fair. Ps.
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As I was involved in editing, I am no more in the position to provide a neutral review. I think a new reviewer could suggest further important changes. I placed tags in the article to indicate some problematic sentences and unverified information in the article. I think this is an interesting article
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Consider mentioning some important events of the history of the Commonwealth which are directly linked to Naruszevicz's life (namely the partitions of the Commonwealth and the conflicts between reformists and traditionalist). For instance, what was the Great Sejm, the 1791 Constitution, who were its
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Some reorganization is needed. 1. The King's surname is not mentioned in previous sentences. 2. He was not coadjutor bishop of Smolensk, but coadjutor bishop of the bishop of Smolensk as the titular bishop of Emmaus. 3. Are you sure that he held regular positions at parishes after he was consecrated
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After the suppression of the Jesuit Order in 1773, Poniatowski arranged for him a number of positions, including eventually a titular bishop's seat (he was a Bishop of Smolensk from 1775–1788 as coadjutor bishop and from 1788–1790 as full diocesan bishop, and later bishop of Łuck from 1790–1796), as
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I assume you are referring to the 2005 work. Well, it's not like he wrote about himself, it's just a collection of his works, recently republished, with a lengthy chapter written by a modern scholar. I've changed the URL from google books to a Polish academic site legally hosting the pdf of the book
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True, but I didn't see a RS for it. I am sure it exists, but I wasn't looking for all the details, the article can be expanded but I think that's a FA-level issue. As his parents don't appear notable, I think it's a minor issue. As for his writing genres, I think we cover it well - do note the pl
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I reworded this sentence. I think that the position of senator was automatically awarded to some(?) bishops or other holders of court ranks, and he became qualified for it at some point as a side perk of one of his titles, but the sources are not clear which one was it. A quick glance at my old
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Hey again Piotrus, I am looking forward to reviewing your article today and working with you. I typically give a week for any corrections to be made and make my final assessment then. I will provide a progress bar and more descriptive feedback to help you make improvements. Kind regards ~ 🦝
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roles. First in the opening line and again in 2nd line; all of which is practically the entire text in the main body of the article. Either more information should be added, or the lede should be slightly trimmed since it doesn't adequately describe the entire article in
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I think - please review. You are right that his parishes were before his bishop times, in fact, he only had them briefly in summer 1774 before moving onto the "bishop career track". I've added some dates that the sources provided and tried to fix the links/titles.
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I am done with expanding this with the biography chapter by Stanley; we are now using three chapter-long biographical accounts, which I think should be good enough for GA as I assume they should tackle all major aspects of his life.
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Well, instead I clarified he received them from Poniatowski. Note I've also standardized how we refer to the king (there were some unnecessary IMHO redirects and an inconsistent capitalization of King/king I've noticed).
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has been inactive of late and unresponsive to queries, so I've changed the nomination status to "2nd opinion" in the hopes of finding a new reviewer to take over the review. Thank you to whoever steps up.
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Any suggestions on how? The sources stressed he was very dedicated as in, unlike many other deputies, past or present, he attended almost all the sessions, and was seen as paying attention, etc. --
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is a good source in English, but I don't have full access to it right now :( PPS. Got access. Give me a few days, I'll read this and see about beefing up this article further. --
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More clarity about the distinction between the designation modern historian and early historian are needed. They sound contradictory and yet he's described as both in the
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From around 1758 to 1762 he studied theology at the Collège de la Trinité in Lyon, France, and on 17 January 1762 received his holy orders in the nearby Vienne.
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Fixed. Is there a MoS recommendation for this? I think I've been using the 'biography' section header for years and this is the first time it was called out. --
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Changed to 'residence' as I am indeed not sure if there was a parish there, and if so, was it his to administer. Church organization is rather arcane to me. --
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The prose/grammar and writing style is excellent. Images are freely licensed and relevant. There are however, some issued with the layout style for example:
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but more importantly, I was puzzled why a book partly written by Adam Naruszewicz would be used to cite his significance, which feels somewhat
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If only a little, keeping due weight in mind. Feel free to add more if you think it's relevant for someone more familiar with the topic. --
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that his decision to do so was "unsurprising" as a "reasonable career choice", which is pretty much not saying anything, really. --
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I am unsure, as in, I didn't see (or recall seeing) an explanation. The best I found is a meaningless (IMHO) comment in
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Thank you for the review. I think I've addressed the tags you've added, please let me know if I missed anything.
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The first line just states he was a bishop, the second elaborates on that. I trimmed some excessive details. --
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Offices... article suggests that it was a perk associated with the court position of the Great Scribe. --
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is more material that is missing from this article, for example, information about his parents, teaching
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I assume "Great Lithuanian Writer/Author" would be a better translation. The wikilink is not helpful.
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about a non well known Polish scholar and politician. Thank for the nominator for expanding it.
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bishop of Emmaus? 4. Coadjutor bishops are not suffragan bishops, so the wl should be changed.
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That the collegium was operated by the Jesuits is still mentioned in Latin. I think "...the
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In 1776 he received the Order of Saint Stanislaus and in 1783, the Order of the White Eagle
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I have no preference, if you think it sounds better, be my guest and change it. TIA! --
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I am ready to provide a second opinion. I need a couple of days to complete my review.
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thank you for taking over. As the initial review, I want to say congratulations to @
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The one prose nitpick I would have is, the lede repeats rather often his various
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Perhaps "...the Jesuits' Collegium Nobilium (or high school for noblemen)"?
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Perhaps we should clarify that these are Polish/Polish-Lithuanian orders.
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Clarify that Polesie was part of Poland/the Commonwealth in this period.
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Sounds good, but what link? Would you mind copyeditign this detail? --
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Second opinion requested in the hopes of finding reviewer to take over
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His literary achievements are not mentioned in previous sentences.
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