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and shows a much broader variety of usage. Neighborhoodnames appear to be a situation where there is no generally agreed upon format. Based on that, and based on the fact that some people feel the parenthesis convention fits our titling policy better, I would incline toward
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Historic District" and "Lindbergh/Morosgo" - The anonymous IP has a valid point regarding the slash, and "Grant Park Historic District" seems too much like a dab to me. I'm open on leaving "Margaret Mitchell (Atlanta neighborhood)" alone, though.
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