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Why not make this change in the first line? Regardless of the game's development status, "upcoming" is an unfitting descriptor, as it implies that the release is in the near future, which has not been true over the course of many years. "Unreleased", on the other hand, is certainly true, and makes no
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It's true that the website is still up and it still lists TBA as the launch date, but it also still lists the
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This is a bit of an absurd position. Given all evidence, it is quite safe to assume that this game will never be released in the form the article currently lists. Based on the
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had a long history before its E3 2009 announcement: it began life as a prototype for PS2 and Xbox at
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That version was ultimately put on hold, and the project was resurrected a number of years later as the Agent we vaguely know today. As a number of resumes attest, version two of Agent is/was also an actual project in development under the auspices of
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My mistake, in the article I read- I misread "Rockstar San Diego / Angel
Studios". I read through it quickly and my mind filled in Angel Studios for Rockstar studios. What was meant by the original article was that, the game was produced by- Rockstar San Diego, formerly Angel Studios. As far as the
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The question is, do you have a source on that former project? "Rockstar San Diego and
Rockstar Studios" seems redundant, as "Rockstar Studios" always refers to multiple (usually all) Rockstar-owned studios. Rockstar also follows the "one project at a time" policy, and seeing that Rockstar San Diego
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Take-Two abandoned the trademark, this does not mean that they cannot file for it again (as they have done multiple times) or file for a different one. Even if the game is unlikely to come out, Rockstar still touts it as upcoming and continues to list the release date as "TBA". As long as we don't
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The website does not say "upcoming", it merely says the release date is TBA. Upcoming means "in the near future". A game that has been "in the near future" for more than a decade is an absurdity, until there is some indication that is, indeed, coming in the near future. If they were continually
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I think there is a specific point to the wording. To me "Upcoming" means that a game will come at some point in the future but does not exist at the moment. Whereas "unreleased" suggests the game exists in some form and has not been released. I think Agent is very much the former. -
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be incorporated into the article! I might do it myself later, as I currently lack the time to do so, but if you wish you can just go ahead right now!
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