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Florida Flight 90 defined pop culture for an entire generation of males who were young between 1982 and 1988 (when Howard Stern returned to the DC airwaves via syndication to WJFK) -- DC-area males born between, say, 1956 and 1974. More than just a radio personality change, it actually served as a daily reminder of the Flight 90 tragedy. To the DC community is huge (and perhaps which objectors to including Stern in this article are not a part of), Stern and Flight 90 are intimately, irrevocably, and irretrievably connected.
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remains in my mind are the tables filled with the personal effects. Little things like shoes or paperback books. I still see the children's toys lying there. After all these years I still choke up and start to weep. People who work in aviation should see these things. That's when the results of an air crash become very real and human.
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It is true, but there is no mention of the fact that the closure was also implemented to clean the runways at intervals since the airport only allowed a single take-off or landing operation at a time; they had to remove the snow from the runways to return it to a safe operating condition. The speaker
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so the article they printed here says rescue workers were not able to enter the River due to hypothermic conditions and the ice well the so-called rescue workers or Heroes as they like to call themselves did nothing while a civilian jumped in and saved a woman if four or five of them jumped in the
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National to the 14th Street Bridge, not whether the 14th Street bridge would become a permanent stop. Whether he was pretending to call Air Florida or not is debatable as well. It sure sounded like a
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performance due to icing the tragedy was avoidable when the plane was in the air, even after the mistakes made by the pilots. This wikipedia entry should make mention of this finding published by the NTSB.
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Agree that is should be mentioned, have reinstated it and provided a source link. Every time I remember the crash, I also remember Stern's stunt. I think it was the first time I had ever heard of him
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