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Yeah, need to think about what citations are right here. Essentially, a lot of writers (understandably) copied this information which turned out to be false, and you see it on a lot of websites and books. So I wanted to really throw in every relevant citation I could here in case I dropped dead and
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I've described all of them as 'historians', which I think is an acceptable basic summary, although they have different primary professions: Schumacher-Gebler is primarily a printer, Kupferschmid a professor of graphic design and Reynolds a font designer with a doctorate in history (specifically of
716:, thank you so much, this is great feedback. I'm going to think about the intro-I think I may add a section called "etymology" at the top as "Akzidenz" doesn't neatly translate into English. I'm going to comment under each of your suggestions as a checklist of resolving each issue. 274:
I couldn't find an obvious single citation for this, but effectively it's just a preview of sections 7-8, especially 8.2: that a lot of people have created digital fonts based on Akzidenz-Grotesk since it's popular and public domain. I've put "as discussed below" to make that
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Duplinks – Günter Gerhard Lange (Akzidenz-Grotesk Buch, Akzidenz-Grotesk Old Face; also don't take the full name once the person has been mentioned by the full name earlier), Helvetica (Akzidenz-Grotesk Buch), Futura and blackletter style (Akzidenz-Grotesk Schulbuch)
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manufacture of metal type (which was done from Gutenberg up to, say, the 1950s, with use of metal type continuing into the 1980s or so without significant further product development). But as that's a mouthful I've simply linked to
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Per the above point this should actually go into the first mention. Actually take the full name on first mention and introduce the person.. take just the last name in later mentions.
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Yes, we're a bit lucky here for pictures: this style of minimal poster isn't considered eligible for copyright, so I wanted to throw a few pictures in. I think it's the best option
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some well-meaning person reading the article decided it needed to be "fixed" to correct the "mistake". I've now rephrased the section to make it a bit clearer, too.
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Resolved, I hope, although I don't think the names of all the versions could be practically fitted into the lead. I've added an etymology section.
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font design). None have Knowledge (XXG) articles, although Kupferschmid has one on the German-language Knowledge (XXG), which I've linked to.
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This is quite an important detail, especially as the name might look strange to many readers. This should not be mentioned just in the lead.
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More of an intro of who they are added. The only major thing that needs fixing now is the intro, which I'm drafting at the moment.
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Berthold is not mentioned since the lead. It should be mentioned by the full name on first mention in the main text.
799:, yes, sorry, I've been a bit sidetracked by other things this week. I plan on getting the rewrites done tomorrow. 498:
Not sure if big blanks are ok in an article to accommodate pics, though I personally don't see any issue in it
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The first para of Akzidenz-Grotesk Schulbuch and the last part of Akzidenz-Grotesk Next need inline citations
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An etymology section sounds great. Take your time with the writing but keep updating this page. Cheers,
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In the bullets, is it customary to write the features in capitalized case (like 'Light Extended')?
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First line done, last line removed as it's discussed both further up and further down the article
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I find this interesting and well-written at first glance. Will post my comments soon. Cheers,
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confusion may have occurred with fonts held by Berthold that the Theinhardt foundry licensed
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Are all the bullets after this sourced properly? Maybe add citations right after this line
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Not a problem but is a long list of refs that necessary here? Ref. 19 is actually repeated
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a few captions should not have a period at the end (if they are not complete sentences)
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Professor Indra Kupferschmid, who has researched the early use of sans-serifs in Germany
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From the name of the section, does it not belong in 'History' since it is in the past?
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Recent research by Eckehart Schumacher-Gebler, Indra Kupferschmid and Dan Reynolds
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Akzidenz indicates its intended use ... for sans-serif typefaces at the time.
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Link 'san-serif' on first mention in the article (excluding the lead)
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No need for a ref in the infobox if the fact is cited in the main text
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Duplinks: Günter Gerhard Lange, Karl Gerstner (just say Gerstner)
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Other weights were added...ultra-bold 'Akzidenz-Grotesk Super'.
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That's all from me. A comprehensive, well-written article :)
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could be of good use here and wherever we have German terms.
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Who are these people? Try adding their professions (Same for
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First line and the last line of the section need citations
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As is normal in typefaces cut during the metal type period
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Great job :) All changes look good. Ready for promotion.
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Inline citation needed for the last line of the 3rd para
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Hi, no activity here since a week.. any update? Cheers,
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Duplinks – Helvetica, Univers, Folio, Erik Spiekermann
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Duplinks: Karl Gerstner, Monotype Grotesque, x-height
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Rephrased. What I meant was that this is standard in
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Good point. Converted "history" to "early history".
383:Duplicate link. Also 'Bauer foundry of Frankfurt' 595:No caption for the pic in Akzidenz-Grotesk Buch? 858:, wonderful! Thanks for the valuable advice. 8: 365:shadowed sans-serif ('Schattierte Grotesk') 374:Fixed: all quotes in German now templated. 30: 817:, I think I've finished the rewrite now. 61: 33: 582: 551: 531: 518: 448:Done, although doesn't have an article 393: 380: 364: 350: 341: 337: 333: 320: 281: 230: 650:Maybe link Arizona State University? 7: 532:the 't' of the Schmalhalbfett weight 519:Characteristics of this typeface are 199:, thanks and will watch this page. 24: 434:Link Paul Shaw on first mention 628:Similarities to other typefaces 508:Duplinks: Helvetica, apertures 381:"Accidenz-Gothisch" blackletter 284:When exactly was this period? 1: 338:Reynolds and Florian Hardwig 493:Distinctive characteristics 310:Probably link 'foundries'? 888: 868:22:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC) 851:21:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC) 827:21:09, 30 April 2020 (UTC) 809:22:21, 29 April 2020 (UTC) 790:06:57, 29 April 2020 (UTC) 756:03:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC) 726:02:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC) 708:13:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC) 209:20:55, 16 April 2020 (UTC) 191:20:32, 16 April 2020 (UTC) 161:20:32, 16 April 2020 (UTC) 585:Needs an inline citation 552:Berthold Schriftprobe 473 454:Maybe link Haas foundry? 409:Mid-twentieth-century use 344:Handbuch der Schriftarten 554:What exactly is this? 260:You can link 'German' 245:Design characteristics 18:Talk:Akzidenz-Grotesk 466:Post-metal releases 444:Introduce Eskilson 321:Berthold literature 558:Good point. 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