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The rock has several vertical cracks, wide enough to slip in. The people there used to make use of theese slots to burne there potteries. Doing this the heat cracked shells of stones of the walls of the slot causing some caves. People used to live in this caves as they are rather cool. Whan I have
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Yes, that's true. But Al-Hufoof is a part of the Al-Ahsa city. So basically (if I'm right), Al-Hufoof is a part of Al-Ahsa, and Al-Ahsa is a part of the main governorate which is also called Al-Ahsa.
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To me that rock was most impressing. This split rock is like part of the old arabic fairy tales of 1001 nights. It is a real touistic highlight. (user well.balanced@online.de 12.08.07)
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