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I strongly disagree with a merger. I think that some info from poppers should be moved to alkyl nitrites, although subsets from each other, there are some distinct differences (a nitrite with a very high boiling point is not a popper, while amylnitrite is a popper but also a useful lab-chemical).
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In the mechanism shown, I think it's far more likely that the first step proceeds via an enolate, rather than the comparatively unstable carbanion shown. Is there a reason why it has been drawn in this way?
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