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I added the NPOV tag because this article needs some serious clean up. Discussing what Iverson is "good at" doing (laying the ball off the glass) has no place in an encyclopedia. Nor does the fact that NBA rule changes have "limited iversons effectiveness" have a place in this article (Just to name a
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OK, I see that the article apparently has/ had POV issues. But still, I feel that my "player profile" section was overzealously scythed. The guy scores 30 PPG, and answering the question "how does he do it?" is a perfectly legit contribution to an article, if you can back it up. See the articles on
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play either shortstop or third base, the fact that he currently spends the vast majority of his playing time at third makes it far more informative to refer to him as a third baseman in the opening introductory statement, then go on to refer to his utility ability and past time at shortstop in the
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as their point guard. So unless that's changed of late and he's now starting to spend about equal time at both 1 and 2, then the same principle should apply here. The opening statment should say his a point guard, then in the body of the article it should go on to note his ability to play the 2
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Earlier in his career, it wouldn't have necessarily been an unfair criticism. He still has that reputation today, which I think is unfair. A lot of people ignore the fact that Iverson is currently one of only two NBA players in the top ten in scoring and assists. Dwayne Wade is the other.
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I love Iverson's game and his teammates are so offensively inept, so had to dominate the ball. It's probably the best strategy. But I have to admit, so many critics think so, that this fact can't be ignored. He's now assisting more than ever though, and slowly shedding the label.
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It says on here that he is a ball hog ("He is criticized as being a "ball hog"." under Trivia) but he averages 7+ assists per game, is that really ball hog worthy, considering how much skills he has while the rest of his team is almost completely obsolete?
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I've heard and read about this. As a Celtics fan, I really couldn't be more mixed about something like this. Also, I really doubt it, but is there any truth to it? I can imagine so since the Cs traded pick 7 already.
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Sure, it sounds silly, but his arms are indeed longer than a normal persons arms (they go to his knees when he stands up straight), and his arms help him with steals and hard layups (And the occasional slam-dunk)
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As for my two cents on the issue itself: it's true that "combo guard" has become a fairly commonly used basketball term. But so is "utility player" in baseball. But depsite the fact that Alex Rodriguez
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Iverson is a terrific scorer who has averaged ~30 points per game since nearly a decade. Gifted with blazing quickness and uncanny handles, he possesses an incredible one-on-one game. His trademark
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Iverson was not born in Hampton he was born in Newport News, virginia, same as Michael Vick. He has a tattoo on his arm that say Bad News and he has stated that the tattoo refers to his home town.
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was generally accepted as introducing cornrows into the NBA. That is to say, that people had worn them for a long time, even in the NBA, but he began a trend that caught on rather widespreadly.
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I see your point(s), and when backed up with facts...it does belong in the article. This article just needs to be careful to not become a fanboy article. --Scotsworth 20:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
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AI regularly scores high on MVP votings and is regularly the highest-ranked PG with Nash... and if you score 32.7 PPG (as in this season), and your four other starters add
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What does that mean? received 1% per term? Is that some Virginia thing? If that makes sense to anyone could they 'translate' it into a more commonly understood expression?
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Who is 12.189.48.130? My one-hour work at wikify-ing the article was reverted.. *sob!* It appears 12.189.48.130 is de-wikifying the whole article bit by bit!
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It doesn't seem right that opinions of Allen Iverson's playing ability should be in here. It's almost purely POV and probably should be removed.
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Critics point out that neither Iverson's lifetime shooting average (.421) or assist average (6.1) are remarkable, and accuse him of being a
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with Kareem or Dream Shake with Hakeem. It is his trademark move. That the CD requires blazing speed and uncanny handles, is self-evident.
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According 2 who did AI popularize braids(aka cornrows)? Or do u mean AI popularised them 4 males bc ladies have always braided their hair.
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The basic points being made are certainly valid for inclusion, but the specific language used could certainly still use some clean-up.
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shouldn't cornrows be talked about in this article, they are his trademark and he is the one credited with popularizing them.
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OK, I just took a stab at tightening up the language some. Feel free to revert me if you hate it. 8-)
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That opinion section sucks anyway. long arms????????? what??????? how about his quickness and toughness.
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To those that are currently involved in the on-going point guard/combo guard reversion war, please see
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I think I can back up anything I said, so I think my contribution is legit. Feel free to comment.
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He is also known for his ability to draw fouls, getting to the free-throw line almost at will.
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I don't follow the Sixers closely, but last I knew, Iverson's role on the 76ers was clearly
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However, as of 2006, Iverson is regarded as the best point guard in the game, along with
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See AI's nba.com stat page: AI goes to the FT line 11x a game. Who else does this?
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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and is considered a sure fix for the Hall of Fame when he retires. Along with
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So, OK, how does he score the 28 PPG clip? If you honestly leave out the
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This article needs POV cleanup. Sounds like a fanboy wrote it. --
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is regarded as one of the most unstoppable moves in the game.
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This article is way too buyest it needs to be fixed
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