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as their point guard. So unless that's changed of late and he's now starting to spend about equal time at both 1 and 2, then the same principle should apply here. The opening statment should say his a point guard, then in the body of the article it should go on to note his ability to play the 2
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Earlier in his career, it wouldn't have necessarily been an unfair criticism. He still has that reputation today, which I think is unfair. A lot of people ignore the fact that
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Iverson's game and his teammates are so offensively inept, so had to dominate the ball. It's probably the best strategy. But I have to admit, so many critics think so, that this fact can't be ignored. He's now assisting more than ever though, and slowly shedding the label.
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Sure, it sounds silly, but his arms are indeed longer than a normal persons arms (they go to his knees when he stands up straight), and his arms help him with steals and hard layups (And the occasional slam-dunk)
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Iverson is a terrific scorer who has averaged ~30 points per game since nearly a decade. Gifted with blazing quickness and uncanny handles, he possesses an incredible one-on-one game. His trademark
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I see your point(s), and when backed up with facts...it does belong in the article. This article just needs to be careful to not become a fanboy article. --Scotsworth 20:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
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