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situation. Your examples do make sense, though. I never say "the Microsoft Office". Darn it, why do you have to bring logic and good reasoning onto the Internet? That's what I wanted to use to convince you, not the other way around, haha! But how do you know where to draw the line? Is it specifically due to the market of computing, as you mentioned? Because you are right that none of my examples apply to that field, but I thought they were general concepts. This language stuff can be fascinating (and annoying :P). Sorry for continuing the thread, I really thought this would be the end of it.
4370: 6256: 6175: 6094: 6012: 4760:) are incorrect. You are literally calling the company who invented the App Store incorrect, which is just wrong. You guys cannot deny by any means whatsoever that "the App Store" isn't proper grammar. And it's not really mimicking their mistakes if it's not a mistake. "the App Store" is proper wording, regardless if you guys think otherwise. Even Apple calls it "the App Store", and as such you guys have no valid grounds or arguments of saying we cannot use "the". And as such, "the" should stay except for at the very beginning of the article, as 3564:(mainly because it's your inalienable right under copyright law) to have multiple licenses. This means you can release your binary in the store under the Apple License and your source code under the GPL and you'd be perfectly able to release the app but nobody else would (as they'd have to work with GPL code, which doesn't allow it). Others would be able to compile and release your app, but not through the store. The current mention is somewhat vague and while not as blatantly incorrect as the one in the Mac App Store, is still misleading. 2711:- which makes it hard to discuss this, since we haven't really clarified what exactly a ddp is. My point is that these 'app stores' are something more than technical platforms, they are also (arguably) online stores, entertainment services, publishers etc. And those aspects may be more important in the end than the technical platforms they are built on, much like the website Knowledge is arguably more important than the software MediaWiki. But go ahead, I don't want to be a hairsplitter, we can come up with a better name later. -- 2123:? I mean, the epitome and first example used to illustrate weasel words is the "Some say..." format. Did you not read the portion that mentions "It is better to put a name and a face on an opinion than to assign an opinion to an anonymous source."? How about the part where it says that "Sentences like Some people think... lead to arguments about how many people actually think that." So no, giving sources is an improvement over NOT having sources, but it is certainly not a substitute for clarity. 2015:
examples I listed below. The point is that this is a current phenomenon which is obviously real (as shown by my examples), but too recent to have entered the dictionary. Some of the advantage of Knowledge is that we don't have to wait for the slow editorial processes of traditional reference works to recognize a phenomenon - if we have to wait for the term to enter Webster's dictionary before we can write about it, some of the purpose of Knowledge seems to be lost, in my mind. --
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falling completely within them." I don't think that making the section shorter is a solution, either - we're supposed to assume that articles are going to be expanded, and this one has enough sources that it's plausible it will be. Taking out the transcript to make it artificially shorter doesn't seem like a positive contribution to the encyclopedia. Regarding ease of linking, that's what I meant when I said you could turn it around - "Is it really so hard to link to
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ticket for writing "the App Store". Hence people do it more freely. But that doesn't mean it is correct. The only reason people make this particular mistake is because they "feel" it is right and judge based upon their feelings not concrete rules. (A reason for "the App Store" mistake is its false friend, "the app store" which is pronounced exactly the same.) If you go by your feelings, you will never be able to grab the coveted
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also because it is. Would it be acceptable language to write "on the App Store store" when the sentence is intended to be referring to it as a store and not as the proper noun? I could write "on the Google Play store", but "App Store store" would also be incorrect, wouldn't it? Thank you for coming to the discussion! I'm happy we can talk this through and come to an understanding, even if we disagree right now :)
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answer the questions posed on the weasel page - such as "Who says that? When did they say it?" etc. As for the question of "how many says that", my edit does provide an answer - at least 3 writers in mainstream global media outlets - and I'm not sure why we would need to search for a more specific number than that?
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Darn it, I really thought I could convince you with this :P It really bothers me :( I try not to get personal opinions mixed up in editing, but I'm only human and this is the first time I have encountered someone dropping "the" from "App Store". Literally the first and only time I've experienced this
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platforms, but it is still very much a service. And Apple calls it "the App Store" because that is what it is. Almost everybody calls it "the App Store". Heck, even Apple's own "Download on the App Store" download badge for people to showcase their iOS or macOS apps on their websites which are on the
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I like this table that someone put in, with info to compare the different app stores! I took the liberty of adding some more info. But I also think a couple of the columns could be cut. The 'status' one - aren't they pretty much all 'Live' now? And the developer's fees, and links to the developer web
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Thanks for adding that. As far as your last point, it was a typo by me. Please remove the "not" in the first sentence, to make more sense of it. Hopefully someone can remedy this situation for us. I'd also like to point out that I have not reverted your edit specifically to show that I'm assuming
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doesn't give any sources, sources aren't necessary. However I don't think it is necessary to find a dictionary entry or an article that discusses the use of one specific brand name as generic term, in order to document that such use is taking place - and I am providing these examples to show that I'm
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work as a weasel word. Read the very first sentence on the page: "Weasel words are words or phrases that seemingly support statements without attributing opinions to verifiable sources." That is obviously not what is happening here, I think we both agree that verifiable sources have been given, which
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end with a normal word that would require "the" in a natural sentence, and it should be kept even if it is a proper noun. "The App Store" because "store" is a regular word, and you wouldn't say "let's go to store". Follows the exact naming conventions of established global language and even accepted
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Well, I can't blame you there. The rule does indeed state that normally proper nouns don't need a definite article. I was kind of hoping someone would come along and agree with me for consensus here, but I don't see that happening with this avalanche of comments haha :) It's not a major issue for me
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I agree, except for the article name... I tried to google "digital distribution platforms for mobile devices" to see if it was used anywhere, and I can't find any examples. Whereas the term "app store" seems to have fairly widespread use. We should aim to use the same terms which are used elsewhere.
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You have shown some examples of the generic term in reliable sources, and even in my sense of it. I will concede that there is some usage out there, but are there any sources that claim this specifically? It would make for a stronger argument to phrase it well in the article. For example, we could
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I've never seen any reliable source that has used it as a true generic term. I think that even if a journalist were to use something like "Palm's App Store", it would simply be another syntax (albeit a somewhat unclear one) for "Palm's version of the App Store", rather than a catch-all term for any
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Thank you for commenting! "Apple App Store" would not be ideal. Apple has two app stores, one for the iOS platform and one for the Mac platform, causing ambiguity in some contexts. And doesn't "solve" the core issue, as "available on the Apple App Store" would be a lengthier way of encountering the
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Just as a point of order, "all proper nouns are written without "the"" is wrong, as there are exceptions, including names of buildings ("the White House"), newspapers ("the Daily Telegraph"), and organizations ("the United Nations"). When I wrote "It's kind of a gray area" on your talk page, that's
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Thank you for coming to the discussion! Having done more research, I am actually incapable of finding any sources not using "the". My initial hunch about grammar is one thing, but it is entirely another thing when the apparently "correct" wording, as per Lisa's response on her talk page, is used by
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A new "app store" article needs to be written generally and maybe I will do it. By the way, I am an Apple fan and shareholder. That does not mean I accept their hegemonic false authority over the App Store name. Similarly, the term 'Personal Computer' does not redirect to the Apple Inc article.
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Does anyone have sources indicating that "App Store" is also being used as a generic term, referring to Android Market, Nokia's Ovi, Palm's app store (whatever it's called) etc? It seems sensible to me, I'm definitely already using the term that way, but are there any more notable sources. ;) If so
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Out of curiosity, if anyone got baby shaker before it was removed, would they be allowed to share it with others? I'm not trying to obtain it because I don't approve of baby shaking (at least in Halo, you're killing people who can defend themselves) and I don't think I would find someone who has it
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app relates to more than just the iPhone Application Store. Making it a subsection of this article implies that it is purely related to the App Store, which isn't true. From the deletion debate: "This one relates to a number of other topics (The App Store, online scams, iPhone, Apple, etc.) without
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All right, I'll kick this off. I think that having a large section on one application in what is a fairly short article gives unwarranted prominence to that application's effect on the app store itself. On the other hand, the application has relevance beyond just the app store - it's a good (albeit
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Just out of interest, how is 70.89.148.9's "I vote to merge it" any more valid than Jrdewintheamp88's "I vote to not merge it" which you dismissed out of hand? I'm not ignoring consensus - I'm pointing out that you're justifying your actions based on a very, very thin consensus. Much more thin than
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According to the Apple App Store in the United States of America, the Associated Press (AP) is not called "News", but "Mobile News Network". The column title is also has the word type, so before I changed the name, I wanted to make sure type did not over-rule the actual name of the AP's application
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Hello everybody! It's been a while since this discussion took place. I'm not sure any of you care about it anymore, but I'm back because I do. Originally I decided it was okay to drop "the", but due to it sounding wrong, I have gradually done research over the past weeks since this discussion. I'm
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The article needs to mention that as of late September 2012 and the release of iOS 6, the minimum iOS version for new and updated apps has raised from 3.0 to 4.3. This is a problem for people who have newly acquired an old ARMv6 device - iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPod touch (1st generation) or iPod touch
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I have rephrased the contentious sentence to remove the weasel word and state the simple fact that the term "app store" has appeared as a generic term. The reference supporting that statement appear to be adequate. I am not convinced that the sources suggest the term has become a generic term in a
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I agree that an encyclopedia should certainly make a distinction between terms used in language (generally speaking of course) and trademarked brands, however I still disagree with your definition of a generic term, as reasoned above. As far as who goes around remembering these names, I certainly
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We are not here to go after huge swaths of badly written articles. The icon of scissors is to remind us to trim carefully. Whenever possible, FIX. Whenever possible, SOURCE. Whenever possible, FIND THE NOTABILITY. Before nominating for deletion it is a good idea to check for notability and to make
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What led you to research was not the discovery of a principle but a way to avoid one; as such, and unsurprisingly, not a single example of yours is about computing. And your motive was what has led many students astray: It sounded wrong. I have told many a student many times that they should make
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Aha indeed! Miscommunication due to differently perceived context. It's good to have that clear :) Yes, we're good. :) Thanks again for your comment, by the way, it's always nice to hear other editors appreciate and respect my work. I'm happy we could talk and it's important to remember we're all
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And here I was thinking we could have a constructive, positive, decent discussion about this. I want nothing more than for all of us to agree, but we obviously don't. There is a way to be respectful towards one another and acknowledge our differences, and remain concentrated on the topic at hand.
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questions about the technical background pop up. How is the Packaging format defined? What security measures does the Package management system implement? E.g. Are the packages signed? I think some technical specifications would be much more interesting and more suitable to the Knowledge than the
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I hear you loud and clear. And yet I am concerned that you have no tangible principle or rule to back you up. Don't get me wrong: There are a lot of exceptions for using the definite article with the already-definite nouns and names, but please pay attention that you define them as "exceptions",
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Hello. People do lots of things wrong and sheer number of those wrong things mustn't make you think it is correct. For example, we have thousands of driving infractions each year even though people learn the rules of driving and get a certificate for it. Same goes with grammar. Only there is not
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Since Knowledge titles are case-sensitive, I'd say it's reasonable for "App Store" to refer to Apple's App store, but I agree there is the problem that "App store" redirects here. Since "App store" is the generic term to refer to these online stores, and Knowledge policy favours simple names, I
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given that it's obviously a contested merge. Also, it's entirely proper to use AfD consensus to justify keeping an article rather than merging it. The editor on the talk page you linked makes an assertion based on a misunderstanding. AfD isn't *just* for deletion, it's to discuss the fate of an
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While the GPL notice has been smoother back in it's worth noting that it's possible to release code otherwise released as GPL for both stores. You can't distribute GPL software through either of the stores but this doesn't apply if you're the copyright holder of the work itself. The GPL allows
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I see your point, but still don't quite agree. The problem with weasel words is when you use them in stead of giving sources for a claim. So I think we can say "Some people use the term as a generic term to refer to any similar service for mobile devices" followed by a few refs to some of the
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This page seems to be pure Apple propaganda. There are important questions raise in Gizmodo and other tecc blogs about how Apple is managing third party software. The flavor of it being that software may not be like pop songs because of the long development cycle for quality applications. The
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has been telling you is incorrect. Lisa (as far as I know) always falls back on some part of the Manual of Style or some other guideline with regards to this sort of thing (and probably some other things), even though in a few cases, it or other guidelines seriously are not a valid source of
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You could use exactly the same argument to demerge and establish as a separate article. Remember that deletion policy says "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." We're supposed to be biased towards keeping articles unless there's a
523:, an editor in favour of s(t)ubsuming the page and two votes (I assume you're happy to discount both of those if you're going to discount the "keep as article" one). Now we have two editors in favour of keeping as a separate article and the opportunity to debate it. I suggest listing this at 2688:
The term "app store" used in that generic way (as Anderssl suggests) is not wide-spread, and would only serve to cause confusion. A digital distribution platform and a mobile device are two concepts that are fairly well detailed on Knowledge. I do think it's important to follow the naming
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I disagree. If people and journalist's are using terms like "Palm's app store" or "Google's app store" (especially if uncapped) that is definitely a use of the phrase as generic term. Doing some googling is quite revealing here - under the "related searches" heading you get suggestions like
2152:. In order for that to not be true, you'd need a source saying that "App Store" has become a generic term. What you've done is take several sources, analyzed the text of each, found similarities through comparison, and drew your own conclusion. That's a stark contrast. This is part of 4063:: Was the actual rating removed from the store, or only the warning message ("Whenever an app of this rating is requested for download, a message will appear")? I don't remember ever getting the warning message, but I haven't looked at any 17+ apps in the last couple months or so. -- 115:
If you perform any form of editing, you have to sign your comments. From your IP address it seems very clear where thos comments come from. There are obvious challenges with the App Store, like any other channel. It does a dis-service to Apple to actually delete it from this page.
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sites - that sounds a little like information for specially interested (like me, incidentally) - maybe not so interesting for the general public (could be put in the articles for the different stores though, so it's available for those who are specially interested). Objections? --
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It should be interesting to see how this issue gets resolved, since it's a Google vs. Apple one, and Knowledge is full of fanboys for each. (Apple is currently suing Amazon over its Appstore for Android.) It's kind of like the immovable object meeting the irresistible force. :D
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Your point claiming that it is a fact, but it is too new to have been published is only hurting your argument, not helping it. "The threshold for inclusion in Knowledge is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Knowledge has
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While someone viewing the App Store article might be interested in this information, it isn't exclusively about the Apple App Store; the Apple store is only one store on the list. I support moving it to its own article, and perhaps link to it in the "See Also" section. --
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Knowledge policy. I rest my case, hahaha. No really, I want to keep this friendly, but it really has bothered me, which is why I came back with all of this argumentation. :P If I get any response, cool! If I don't, I will edit "the" into the article and keep using it.
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to drop "the", just feels unnatural (doing that just for friendly April Fools since I know you dislike those comments ;) and it does constitute skepticism. But the only actual evidence I can present is my logic, and that unfortunately might not be enough in this case.
2371:"Lastly, you've claimed that examples of similarly bad practices on Knowledge is not relevant." No I have not. I have claimed the opposite - that they are relevant - but I haven't drawn the conclusions that you seem to be crediting me with. I'm not saying that because 3351:
This entire page should not be geared towards Apple in the way that it is. Apple do NOT own the trademark to the word 'app store', therefore the page should not be phrased in a way that solely promotes Apple. Why isn't the page written about Windows Phone app store?
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Apple may have originated the term; what is relevant is, it is a term of generic usage BECAUSE I AND OTHERS USE IT GENERICALLY. This concludes the irrefutable evidence documenting the FACT that 'app store' has become a generic term that merits a generic article. -
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Denying it is exactly what they can and *should* do here, so let's not discourage that. Same goes for "no valid grounds or arguments", because proper nouns do indeed usually drop "the". But there are exceptions to that rule, which is where my suspicion falls into.
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universal sense; they only indicate that the term has been used as a generic term, so that's all we should say about it. That seems to be a reasonable compromise between claiming it is now a generic term, and deleting the sentence altogether. That's my opinion. ~
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That said, KamranMackey is wrong about being a service. First, it is both an app and a service. Second, service names, like all other proper nouns, are written without "the". Like "Microsoft Azure", "Office 365", "OneDrive", "Gmail", "Google", "Bing", "Amazon",
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There is nothing neutral about that. You're trying to create pov that the term refers to something which it does not. App and apps have been used for years as shorthand for application and applications. A single article from the BBC doesn't change that. Nothing
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automatic, it's a manual step taken to generate a wider debate about a proposed merge. It's not necessary to list there for non-contentious merges, but I think this one has become contentious. We need more community involvement to generate a lasting consensus.
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judgement for some articles. The MoS does not cover all articles, and as such different articles react differently to the MoS, such as this one. And as such, I think we should use "the App Store". Just my two cents. Hopefully this explanation helps you. :) -
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These are just a handful of examples. Seems to me there definitely should be some mention about the use of app store as generic term in the article, as an encyclopedia should reflect the distinction between terms as used in language and trademarked brands...
1896:"blackberry app store", "palm app store" etc, indicating that a lot of people use the term "app store" to refer to the various brand stores. (It's pretty obvious honestly, who goes around remembering what all these stores are officially named? And who cares?) 528:
article whose relevance or value to the project is disputed. Plenty of AfDs end in "merge" - this one ended in "keep". You should respect that by at least looking for more consensus than "me too, me three, done" before you replace an article with a redirect.
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what appears to be literally no one else, making me question the validity of dropping "the". At this point, based both on grammar and sources, I am leaning to keep "the" in the article. I still want to hear Lisa's thoughts before making any changes, though.
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supported by the source used, you as an editor are engaging in original research. If you are able to discover something new, Knowledge is not the place to première such a discovery. Once your discovery has been presented in a reliable source, it may be
4416:, but when I searched my web browser for "the App Store", I discovered that a large number of sources also use "the App Store". I apologize to Lisa that I am starting this discussion again, but are you sure about what you wrote on your talk page? Both 993:, I just added merge tags to both articles to give proper notice. Keep this discussion open until at least 14:19, 28 September 2008 (five days from now). Then, if there is sufficient discussion (the above discussion can be included), post a notice at 2224:
Lastly, you've claimed that examples of similarly bad practices on Knowledge is not relevant. Knowledge isn't perfect, and things like that can easily slip through the cracks. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be cited properly though. Basically,
2300:. And in all due respect, I think you are misreading it a little. Nowhere in that page does it say that the grammatical construction "Some say..." is always a weasel word that should be avoided - rather, it is just an example of something that 4907:" comment, which was perceived by me as a direct offense against not caring about Kamran's opinion. If that is a misunderstanding, then it's good to have that explained, but just be careful in the future, because context can be misleading :) 80:
invasion of low-quality free or "almost free" software could deter serious software development. It seemslike all rankings are based on instant downloads. This is an important aspect it seems that needs to be brought forward in this article.
2342:. I do accept your point that the argument would be stronger if, say, the term was included in a traditional dictionary, but as I said above I don't think that is a necessary requirement for including mention of this use of the term here. 202:
is an interesting example of potential problems with the app store (users accidentally buying apps, or apps not doing what they should... or anything at all) and applications (eg art). Probably worth merging, and would help balance the
3100:, as it's too generic a term for just one companies product? Hence Microsoft in court against Apple's pending trade mark application, and thus likelihood in the near future other providers will label their own "App Stores" themselves, 1052:
I disagree. If you think the discussion of I Am Rich on this page gives it unwarranted prominence, shorten it. Maybe remove the what it says, or something. Besides, the author could probably legitimately claim a copyright violation,
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And this is exactly where our disagreements lie. I believe App Store lies under the proper nouns category for a phrase that does need "the". It's apparent that we are divided on the matter, 2 vs 2... not sure where to go from here.
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Aha! That's exactly what I am talking about: "I don't care" refers to not caring about the significance of Apple's deviation, not Kamran. Actually, if I didn't care about Kamran, I wouldn't have replied to him. Are we good now? :)
2338:. The sentence I have added to the article is a fact - yes, some (notable) sources are using the term that way - and the references added to the end of the sentence document that fact directly. There is no analysis involved, just 1409:. Your suggestion is basically akin to suggesting that the now-redirected Sangreal article ought not be redirected and instead ought to be it's own article on the basis it's linked to from articles that wouldn't otherwise link to 4618:
meaning that the mainstream rule is still not using definite articles with definite nouns and names. Therefore, in the absence of a tangible exception, we fall back to the mainstream rule. And let's not forget that we still have
1220:". It's effectively a delete from the perspective of a casual reader. Yes, I'm aware of the visible history and all that - but the end result is that 99% of Knowledge's readers won't know the difference between this and deletion. 890:
No, I didn't include either vote. Either way, the number of editors who think the article should be merged and the number who think it should not be are about the same - but more importantly, both numbers are small. Listing at
4817:". And I am proud of it too! I did that to Microsoft and Adobe already. Apple is a company that produces useful products and charges hefty sums for them. That's how I see Apple. It is neither a god nor an authority on grammar. 2781:
I have created a new artice named Apps, in reference to mobile phone applications. Please note that it is a neutral article and so does not refer iPhone as if it owns the term. Please do not change the name as per 'Special'
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It's actually four. PoV, myself, Thomasmallen, and 70.89.148.9. 4v2. So the consensus is still to merge. Is your case so weak that you have to pretend as if people who voted to merge don't exist simply to bolster your own
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say "The term "app store" has also become a generic term to refer to any similar service for mobile devices." versus something like "The term "app store" has been used by Sinead Carew of Reuters and Roy Furchgott of the
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The small screen on the right claims "725,700+ apps (as of February 2012)" and the table in 3.2 says "Date: February 28, 2012; Availanle apps: 500,000+". Yeah, 725k is more than 500, but should these be consistent?
2825:. The current dust-up between Apple and Google over the "App Store" trademark isn't going to go well for Apple, especially in light of Google's prior use of the term "App". My argument is POV, that article ain't. 5059:
Counter-example for you: "Office" is a normally indefinite word. But still "the Microsoft Office" is wrong, unless you turn it into "the Microsoft Office productivity suite". Other examples: Internet Explorer,
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You are right, that WAS kind of obvious. :) This is basically what I meant to say all along (I also do not mean that we should state that the term has universally become a generic term). Thanks for the help!
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App Store has "the" in the badge, because having "the" is grammatically correct. If the badge were to say, for example, "Download on App Store", that would be grammatically incorrect. I seriously think what
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some attempt at finding reliable sources. If there are some, then include them and try to improve the articles. If there is truly nothing there, then and only then go ahead with the nomination for deletion.
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I'm unmerging since the content has been removed and there was a previous AfD to keep. If we are going to have something merged with a previous AfD like that we shouldn't just merge and then remove it.
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Also given the legal dispute over whether this should be a trademarked name that Apple own the rights to, it seems point of view for Knowledge to be redirecting the generic term "App store" to Apple.
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Why? What is there to compare? These are not in competition. Unless there are device that can access and use multiple stores, comparisons are meaningless. They're not in competition with each other.--
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Given that there wasn't any consensus either way, I don't believe I would be overstepping my bounds to merge them, again. In the interests of being civil, I won't, but please do keep that in mind.
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I am afraid I have to disappoint you; I have already seen many versions of this incorrect theory that tries to sanction "the" when one or more of the words are those that are normally indefinite.
4878:! In other words, do not mis-perceive a mere opposing opinion as offense. I stayed on the topic, refrained from commenting on a person and even reprimanded FleetCommand for doing the opposite. — 6240: 4089: 4138: 3369: 2690: 4128: 3678:. Three screenshots of the same subject matter is just unnecessary. While the iPad screenshot may be relevant, the iPod touch screenshot is definitely unneeded and should be removed. 4420:
sources and Apple's press releases refer to it as "the App Store"... I am back on the unsure-button again, and would like to reach a common understanding through a civil discussion.
3611:(2nd generation), unless they jailbreak their device and install illegal pirated copies of older versions of the same apps that have since dropped compatibility with their device. -- 3457:" on this article, but this subsection does not exist. I distinctly remember that there was a discussion about "censorship", in particular in relation to a German magazine (perhaps 355:
I'm remerging, per per the consensus here. The content shouldn't have been removed and the person who removed it should have been issued a warning against removal on his talk page.
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Okay, I stand corrected: Not "all" proper nouns, but "most" proper nouns. We already covered "the App Store store": It should be avoided even though it is not grammatically wrong. —
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The AfD closed with keep - it could have closed with merge. This seems to me to be an attempt to sidestep the community. I think the original article should be reinstated, and so I
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Thanks. I went ahead and undid the redirect change now that we've fix the problems that had motivated it. I agree that one is cryptic, not something I can figure out how to fix.
4670:: In Knowledge we use sources to verify facts only. We don't mimic their mistakes. If you don't feel safe removing "the", try replacing it with "Apple". "Apple App Store" is fine. 3028:
The infamous "Baby Shaker" and "I Am Rich" Pornographic apps Wi-fi finders "Manhattan Declaration", a petition against same-sex marriage (was previously approved and then removed)
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This will need furthur discussion. "App Store" is technically a store for computer purposes, such as applications (software). Also, using "(iOS/iPadOS)" is necessary information.
1178:. As for "the reason to not have a separate article" - see my earlier post (you know - the one that you've ignored, since you failed to address any of the points mentioned in it) 5147:
We say "turn on the music", but not "turn on the Apple Music". It does indeed appear to be out-of-context memorization that is the driving force here. Just wanted to write this.
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the AfD. If those people that participated in the AfD want to chim in, they're free to do so. It is very inappropriate, however, for you to presume to speak on their behalf.
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for calling their app store "Appstore", it would seem even Apple doesn't think the formatting is enough to distinguish the Apple "App Store" from the generic "App store".
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be misused for merge/redirect proposals. ... Deletion means the edit histories are lost to non-admins, merging/redirection means anyone can access the edit histories".
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The names of organizations, products and services that end with a word that normally requires "the" also use "the". Examples: "the union was established" - "the"
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I plan to add an opinion other than apples about the app store. Most of the article is in apples favor but nothing about how their app store needs improvement.
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similar service. I think if this were to be worded as something like "App Stores are becoming very successful.", then this could seen as a true generic term.
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I agree, though not with redirecting it to a list of 'app stores' but instead to an article about the generic term 'app store' (which has yet to be written).
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The core of the disagreement, rather, seems to be the question of synthesis. In my opinion you are, again, streching the concept. I am not synthesizing, I am
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There should be some note about the availability of apps in the worldwide stores, eg, iSSH is avail in US, Switzerland but not in Singapore. Any reason why?
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no there shouldn't. This isn't a shopping site. Unless there is a direct tie between the products they don't belong in this article and need to be removed.--
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That's certainly not being bold, it's being impatient. We were in the middle of a discussion, and you just went on with it. Firstly, did you really read
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is treated separately. I prefer the title App Store (macOS) for it, or iOS App Store for this one. Minor issue but I think they should match each other.
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since I have previously supported that guideline, but recent discussions have convinced me otherwise since it seems to be more of a essay than a policy.
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These two comments are unsigned and seem to have edited the article in a very biased way and deleted sourced comments. I suggest signing your comments.
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70.89.148.9 and Jrdewintheamp88's votes are just as valid. Unless I'm miscounting, I think you included Jrdewintheamp88's vote in your total?
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For the section of approval of applications, there is many sections of it separated so I thought of putting all of it in a separate page.
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Ok, time to calm down a little. I'm sorry if you find my edit impatient, you are free to revert it if you don't think it's appropriate.
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Nope, apps like Baby Shaker are still protected just like other apps. The difference is you just can't buy it from the store anymore.
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probably not alone in thinking so. Anyway, this is a fair and square disagreement, so I think it's time to ask for a third opinion. --
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redirecting here for that matter. App Store should redirect to App store. The distinction in capitalization doesn't make sense here.
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due to not standing out alone with different capitalization since several different companies have their version of an "App Store".
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at some stage. It would be a bit on the nose to repeat a controversial action because of a perceived lack of consensus either way.
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would both take you to the same thing. In your proposal, they wouldn't. In fact, in your proposal, the latter wouldn't even exist.
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As of this writing, there is three screenshots of the App Store on the page. One is at the top that shows the App Store on the
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as a generic term to refer to any similar service for mobile devices." The reasoning for the difference in wording is to
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Steve Jobs said today on the Event of Apple, that there are 185,000 Apps in the App Store with over 4 billion Downloads.
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For the purposes of merges, the consensus here takes precedent (never mind the fact that this consensus was established
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The article has plenty of sources. Its notability has been established (by AfD). It's a bit long for a subsection of
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s the difference between deletion and merging. When you merge, the material still exists, albeit in another article.
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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Great table, but it should be in a different article. Please comment below in the discussion for this. Thanks!
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2. New screenshot of iOS 11, not any beta version. If not changed, at least make it smaller to not look blurry.
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Get a clue noob, or get off the Internet. I removed the non-sensical "Challenges" section of this article.
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Relating to other topics has no bearing on whether or not a merger ought to take place. Take a look at
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Yes, I'd favor the more natural iOS App Store, I think. Thanks for your help. Fewer than 40 to go.
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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Absolutely. App store is a generic term. This wider categorization is totally inappropriate.
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Given the elapsed time, I'm going to assume not, so I'll be bold and take off the merge tags.
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Apparently there's a distinct lack of interest in this - any objections to closing it off?
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Wikipedians arguing for the greater good, even if we completely disagree at times hehe :)
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Other companies are using the name App Store right now, so no crystal ball is necessary.
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is a wholly inferior link simply because it has a pound sign in it. My question is.. why?
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You can click the "" next to "Stable release(s)" to edit that section of the infobox. --
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A little exercise for you: In the above paragraph, must I not have written "lead you to
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debates the use of "the" in particular places. I stand by my thinking: "The App Store".
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I believe it would be a good time to mention the release of the App Store on the Mac.
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There needs to be a section for apps that have been notably removed, including...
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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To this article. There is some very incorrect and badly written information.
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There's actually many exceptions to the rule about proper nouns, as listed
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Since the App Store got a lot of software, let's try to list them all!
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Any App can be cracked and shared with the jailbroken community.
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good faith, and that I'm being open-minded to your argument.
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again, you need to propose a change so that it can be made.
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"The" 3784:, which has a hatnote for this article already. 6120:Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2019 5956:Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2018 5720:since Apple actual runs 3 distinct App Stores. 4193:http://www.apple.com/apple-events/october-2011/ 4173:http://www.apple.com/apple-events/october-2010/ 2986:are prohibited, as well as apps with the word " 1911:"In app store war, BlackBerry, Google hold own" 6038:Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2019 5284:Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2017 5252:" for example, say the actual release date of 4314:Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2017 4241:This message was posted before February 2018. 4004:I would support the second proposal of making 5204:{{for|the app store of macOS|Mac App Store.}} 3368:propose that "App store" instead redirect to 2847:CNBC's "Planet of the Apps" documentary (see 2085:I've been bold and added this to the lead. -- 1962:do. It hasn't been a real difficulty for me. 8: 6200:Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2019 5886:Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2018 5810:Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2018 4183:http://www.apple.com/apple-events/wwdc-2011/ 3626:Package management system / Packaging format 2043:By the way, the following page is relevant: 1466:is a non-argument. Wrong. You're suggesting 5016:, the latter a *good article* on Knowledge. 4414:the discussion on Codename Lisa's talk page 3707:Implementation and limitations in countries 2707:Well, there is no Knowledge article called 2184:already been published by a reliable source 6296:The following is a closed discussion of a 5350:The following is a closed discussion of a 5318: 5298: 4083: 3753:The following is a closed discussion of a 3321:Thank You for reading this. Please reply. 2978:So far I've heard that apps made with the 2045:List of generic and genericized trademarks 5654:, etc. where appropriate. Not sure what 5600:Ok I've knocked some out. Mostly changed 4111:I have just modified 9 external links on 3712:If there are another criticism, like the 700:or some other kind of dispute resolution. 5658:is; is that a separate Apple App Store? 5243:App Store (iOS)#Large-scale app removals 4826:". Oh, I believe you. I just don't care. 2657:. But get it out of this article, sure. 2227:Knowledge is a constant work in progress 6366:This is a contested technical request ( 2843:CNBC's "Planet of the Apps" documentary 2731:Template:Digital distribution platforms 2603:Comparison of app stores split proposal 5228:(introduction text, third paragraph), 4904: 4823: 4814: 3538:This notification is provided by a Bot 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 6241:2402:3A80:997:A420:A802:FB33:284:A1E3 4230:to let others know (documentation at 4090:2602:306:33DC:510:C417:E0CE:2ECD:B635 2920:Thanks :). I've updated the page. -- 2148:Secondly, as I noted before, you ARE 1913:. NY Times' blog, under the heading 7: 5871:No edit proposed, none can be made. 5369:The result of the move request was: 5237:App Store (iOS)#App approval process 3772:The result of the move request was: 3713: 1383:?". It's a non-argument either way. 1113:, of which you are a member, states: 5262:September 20, 2017 (some countries) 5258:September 19, 2017 (most countries) 4597:Knowledge's article on proper nouns 3636:Template:Package_management_systems 1701:Applications Availability Worldwide 4059:Regarding the factual accuracy of 1919:"BlackBerry App Store Gets a Name" 1074:? And even if it were, just make 24: 6466:The discussion above is closed. 5083:correct grammar might sound wrong 4115:. Please take a moment to review 6254: 6207: 6173: 6127: 6092: 6045: 6010: 5963: 5893: 5863: 5817: 4368: 4321: 3701:is a wider section, where the " 3483: 2823:Gmail App For Your Mobile Device 29: 6289:Requested move 13 November 2020 3746:Requested move 16 December 2014 3521:then you may need to provide a 3491:An image used in this article, 2974:Adobe Flash Ban and other bans? 2849:http://www.cnbc.com/id/34316207 2336:Compiling facts and information 1413:. It's akin to suggesting that 5315:) 11:52, 10 October 2017 (UTC) 3841:18:48, 16 December 2014 (UTC) 2192:Knowledge:No original research 1848:01:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC) 1603:19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC) 1562:18:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC) 1411:Ancient technology in Stargate 1393:18:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC) 1338:17:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC) 1255:17:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC) 1188:17:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC) 1166:16:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC) 1092:14:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC) 1040:10:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC) 1017:14:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC) 959:18:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC) 910:18:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC) 846:17:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC) 751:16:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC) 655:15:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC) 538:14:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC) 491:14:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC) 383:10:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC) 365:15:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC) 351:23:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC) 259:vote should be discounted per 1: 6458:10:56, 14 November 2020 (UTC) 6429:04:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC) 6399:14:47, 13 November 2020 (UTC) 6380:17:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC) 6360:13:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC) 6327:04:03, 22 November 2020 (UTC) 6195:23:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC) 6169:22:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC) 6032:18:37, 23 December 2018 (UTC) 6005:17:38, 23 December 2018 (UTC) 5337:15:36, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 5297:Kindly allow me to do this. 5003:Council of the European Union 4824:If you guys don't believe me 4026:18:33, 22 December 2014 (UTC) 4014:Apple's attempt to sue Amazon 3996:04:05, 19 December 2014 (UTC) 3979:00:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC) 3960:05:50, 17 December 2014 (UTC) 3933:18:50, 22 December 2014 (UTC) 3894:18:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC) 3867:00:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC) 3794:05:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC) 3741:23:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC) 3647:) 14:01, 6 August 2013 (UTC) 3574:16:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC) 3550:21:32, 16 November 2011 (UTC) 3040:02:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC) 2709:Digital distribution platform 1777:I have added the Expand tag: 1721:08:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC) 1691:01:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC) 1665:17:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC) 328:19:00, 9 September 2008 (UTC) 309:06:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC) 289:17:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC) 272:14:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC) 239:19:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC) 140:04:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC) 126:04:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC) 6114:06:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC) 6087:06:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC) 5343:Requested move 18 March 2018 4386:08:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC) 4363:04:34, 19 January 2017 (UTC) 4309:13:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC) 3820:with a hatnote in place for 3688:14:16, 25 October 2014 (UTC) 3342:22:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC) 3319:22:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC) 3110:07:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC) 2156:, and it's not allowed here. 2121:Knowledge:Avoid weasel words 1751:06:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC) 1679:Knowledge:What is consensus? 1647:02:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC) 1632:09:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC) 1399:Holy Grail#Modern retellings 989:Relisted per the request at 226:12:05, 13 October 2008 (EST) 6234:to reactivate your request. 6222:has been answered. Set the 6154:to reactivate your request. 6142:has been answered. Set the 6072:to reactivate your request. 6060:has been answered. Set the 5990:to reactivate your request. 5978:has been answered. Set the 5920:to reactivate your request. 5908:has been answered. Set the 5844:to reactivate your request. 5832:has been answered. Set the 5489:. Restore the redirect to 5440:page, iOS and Mac versions. 5279:14:43, 4 October 2017 (UTC) 4348:to reactivate your request. 4336:has been answered. Set the 3331:Approval of apps (iOS apps) 3086:16:04, 7 January 2011 (UTC) 3065:16:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC) 2909:Yes, for example this site: 2895:Have you got a source? `-- 2340:simple and direct deduction 217:17:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC) 110:14:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC) 90:00:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC) 6487: 6283:06:43, 15 April 2019 (UTC) 6249:04:56, 15 April 2019 (UTC) 5950:06:50, 3 August 2018 (UTC) 5935:05:58, 3 August 2018 (UTC) 5881:17:35, 10 April 2018 (UTC) 5859:17:21, 10 April 2018 (UTC) 5769:16:17, 22 March 2018 (UTC) 5744:23:08, 21 March 2018 (UTC) 5730:05:31, 20 March 2018 (UTC) 5716:stub with a redirect from 5700:04:08, 20 March 2018 (UTC) 5686:03:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC) 5668:03:49, 20 March 2018 (UTC) 5630:03:43, 20 March 2018 (UTC) 5620:to match App Store (iOS). 5589:02:19, 20 March 2018 (UTC) 5568:18:12, 19 March 2018 (UTC) 5547:15:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC) 5522:07:00, 19 March 2018 (UTC) 5501:06:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC) 5474:06:09, 19 March 2018 (UTC) 5454:22:48, 18 March 2018 (UTC) 5429:20:08, 18 March 2018 (UTC) 5407:16:52, 18 March 2018 (UTC) 5397:– Already redirects here. 5383:19:13, 24 March 2018 (UTC) 5190:Several change suggestions 4494:20:29, 31 March 2017 (UTC) 4467:20:15, 31 March 2017 (UTC) 4430:19:57, 31 March 2017 (UTC) 4272:(last update: 5 June 2024) 4108:Hello fellow Wikipedians, 3657:14:01, 6 August 2013 (UTC) 3600:05:17, 27 April 2012 (UTC) 3435:10:36, 28 April 2011 (UTC) 3405:14:26, 27 April 2011 (UTC) 3387:19:00, 16 April 2011 (UTC) 3362:15:23, 30 March 2011 (UTC) 3154:23:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC) 3096:Shouldn't this be renamed 2835:20:17, 23 March 2011 (UTC) 1507:Remember, in my proposal, 832:Also, I didn't list it in 6410:could easily be moved to 5248:Also, instead of saying " 5081:peace with the fact that 4969:09:00, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4943:08:42, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4917:08:38, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4888:08:30, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4855:07:06, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4840:06:57, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4809:04:47, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4782:02:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4744:06:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4718:04:47, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4691:00:42, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4668:Support deletion of "the" 4651:09:00, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4632:08:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4609:07:53, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4587:07:06, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4568:07:00, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4550:04:47, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4527:00:03, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 4098:00:30, 1 March 2016 (UTC) 3632:Package management system 3621:20:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC) 3419:package management system 3297:17:45, 23 June 2011 (UTC) 3197:16:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC) 3176:16:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC) 3045:App Store release on Mac? 2953:21:15, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 2930:19:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC) 2905:17:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC) 2889:17:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC) 2861:15:32, 2 April 2010 (UTC) 2817:13:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC) 2801:09:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC) 2771:11:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC) 2747:01:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC) 2721:20:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC) 2703:18:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC) 2684:17:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC) 2662:03:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC) 2637:18:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC) 2621:17:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC) 2597:17:48, 28 June 2009 (UTC) 2582:22:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC) 2559:17:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC) 2541:02:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC) 2525:00:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC) 2479:22:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC) 2432:20:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC) 2390:20:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC) 2239:19:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC) 2095:18:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC) 2065:20:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC) 2025:20:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC) 1998:19:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC) 1949:17:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC) 1887:08:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC) 1871:06:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC) 1767:13:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC) 1026:simplistic) example of a 604:Also, this was listed at 186:20:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 160:04:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 6468:Please do not modify it. 6303:Please do not modify it. 5796:Please do not modify it. 5644:App Store for the iPhone 5616:. 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Talk:App Store (Apple)
archive
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Archive 1
Archive 2
HuskyMoon
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00:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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198.212.176.10
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14:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
75.55.198.250
talk
04:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
HuskyMoon
talk
04:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Nicolaususry
talk
04:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
unsigned
72.10.112.177
talk
20:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I Am Rich
I Am Rich
PoV
samj
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