Talk:Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran

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no longer an offical name. Yet it is almost always as in this article in practice referred to as St. John's which would be incorrect or at least no longer correct. I heard somewhere, (no, i don't remember where, hence I was looking it up here) that it is the Basilica of Our Saviour & Cathedral of St. John's Lateran BUT NOT Baslica of St. John's or the Cathedral of Our Saviour. The only similar arrangement I know of is that in Monreal the same church is both the Basilica of Mary Queen of the World and the Cathedral of St. James the Greater. (editing my own comment per teh wikipedia article on same the Montreal Cathedral is Mary Queen of teh World completely replacing the St. James nae, so this doesn't help with St. John's/Our Saviour If someone could make quite explicitly clear the status of this church's name or names, I'd appreciate it.

1603: 1096:"? Should the name of the church itself be in English? I think usage varies. But English speakers certainly know the four major basilicas in Rome best by the English form of their names, which they often use without expressing the word "basilica" or "church", saying: "Saint Peter's", "Saint Mary Major's", "Saint Paul's outside (or without) the Walls". When those who built the American Episcopal church in Rome called it "Saint Paul's within the Walls", they were obviously thinking of this last name in its English form, not of "San Paolo fuori le Mura". 590:

disagree since the real meaning of the word(s) is basically the same. "Holy" Peter, is no different from "Saint" Peter! At least in my opinion. Perhaps it is in the vein of comparing a "place, or thing" to a person, but in the long run the sentiment remains the same, I.e. "venerate" "Definition of VENERATE. 1: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference . 2: to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion" To me it makes little if no difference. Regards, Ronald L. Hughes

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solemnity. In the former calendar it was a double of the second class. In today's calendar it is a feast. The confusion may have arisen from the fact that IN THE CHURCH ITSELF, the date of dedication (as well as the feast day of the patron saint) is celebrated as a solemnity. This applies to cathedrals, basilicas, and parish churches. Likewise, these two occasions with respect to the cathedral are celebrated as solemnities throughout the diocese. I have changed the text to reflect his fact.

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wanted to use the italian version. also there's no such thing as a "st. savior" as listed under the 'Roman Catholic liturgy' section. the only 'savoir' christians recognized is Christ. and no pope has canonized Him saint yet (that i'm aware of). so its "Holy Savior" no 'and/or' needed. in italian (as in spanish) 'santo' and 'santa' are used for people, places, things, and concepts. in some cases it means 'saint', in others 'holy'. in this case, its 'holy'.

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number of people of Italian descent who understandably use Italian names. Google searches show that the English name is more common among English speakers worldwide. Sourcebooks use it. It is used all over. Knowledge (XXG) policy is to use most common name (not the version in English!). If the Italian version was most common among worldwide speakers of English then the article would belong there. It isn't so it doesn't.

1893:). In 1905 came the on the Separation of the Churches and the State. Between 1905 & 1957, the president ceased to be an honorary canon (or refused to accept the title or didn't not formally claimed it?? I don't know where to put the nuance - citations needed). I don't think the Popes in their own cathedral ever suspended the title. It should have remained vacant but I might be wrong (here again citations are needed). 91: 64: 2041:

See e.g. the article in the Latin WP. Now Vatican Latin isn't always faultless, but I cannot imagine they would give their main church an official title in pig Latin. In fact, so far I have not found any official source that gives the title in Latin, even though the internet is filled with references to that "official" name in bad Latin, often, no doubt, copied from Knowledge (XXG). Greetings

179: 101: 246: 22: 932:(Italian) because for some reason English speakers refer to them that way. Ditto with Spanish monarchs. The same is true of locations. Just because most Roman basilicas are recognised (in so far as they are recognised at all) though Italian names does not mean that St. John Lateran must also be in Italian. We don't use the Italian for St. Peter's Basilica, for example. 1706:

understand the meaning of "gens" as "the family called" such and such. And in this case, it not hard to associate the various variations of "Laterano, Lateran, etc. as merely a spelling version of the word in English "Latin(s)".. It is not a large leap since Latin became the mother language of this very church. Your views are expected. Regards, Ronald L. Hughes

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exists today, and each year celebrates in the basilica a Mass on the day of his birth, December 13. They also granted Henri IV and his successors, the title of honorary canon. The French Revolution put an end to duties got from the abbey in 1791. However, Louis XVIII, Charles X and Napoleon III allocate an annuity payable until 1870. (see

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outside my area of expertise. Still, looking at the religious and art history texts that I have on hand, I see that they use the English name. Since no one can seem to point to much evidence suggesting that the Italian name happens to be the more common usage among English-speakers, this article should be moved back.

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If it is located outside of the boundaries of the Vatican City, shouldn't the location be given as Rome, and not Vatican. You wouldn't describe the Swedish embassy in Rome as being in Sweden, even though it too operates according to the same principle. This Basilica is in Rome, not the Vatican City.

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Forgive my ignorance but the question I can here to clarify isn't really in either the article or the discussion. What it the relationship between the names: St. John & Our Saviour? The article and discusion lead me to think that Basilica of Our Savior at some point replaced St. John's which is

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lays out a set of guidelines under which "article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." The topic of this article is way

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someone moved this article to the english title, and you're bent on using the italian name within the article. if you're going to do that, use at least ONLY the italian name, and not a combination of both. there's still 9 "st. john"s in the article. you could have done a quick find-and-replace if you

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The story is old: Louis XI in 1482 granted the chapter managing the Church of St. John Lateran in Rome with the rights over the abbey Clairac. Some years after his conversion to Catholicism Henri IV confirms these rights in 1604. In recognition, the chapter erected a statue of the King, which still

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I'm not the best writer, am I! Yes, a cathedral isn't to be tied to a person, but to the place. Yes yes, I would object to a church being the "cathedral of the Archbishop of..." That church is the cathedral not of the archbishop, but of St. Louis. On the other hand, it's useful to point out that the

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As much as I hate to, I just had to see if either Pmadrid/ Bill?, or myself might be more correct concerning his words, thusly "Since Pope is merely a nickname for "Bishop of Rome"...." I might well be wrong, but I think that "Pope" is merely a form of "Papa/Poppa", which is just another way to say

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Above respondent named 4.230.153.169 19:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC), wrote; "so its "Holy Savior" no 'and/or' needed. in italian (as in spanish) 'santo' and 'santa' are used for people, places, things, and concepts. in some cases it means 'saint', in others 'holy'. in this case, its 'holy'." I must

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I have studied Latin and Greek for years and I am in total agreement that the grammar of the title, as it currently stands (three years after this comment was left here), is mistaken. I will attempt to find some indication of the Latin name of the basilica and cite it so this erroneous title can be

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as a way of listing all cathedrals in Italy by the name of the city will not work where the article does not include the name of the city: "Basilica of St. John Lateran" can be sorted under R for Rome, but the relevant city is not obvious to someone reading the Category page. Using a redirect page

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Dear user Gugganij! Iguess the larger question is just what did the word or prepostion, etc. actually mean in the original inscription? Does it mean "of" or merely an abbreviation of the English words "in the", etc.? Actually I could make a large jump and inquire about the original "Gens" or as I

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Actually I was thinking of that name as the title of the actual article, not just a redirect. I'm still unconfy with "St. John Lateran" without the "in" - it sounds like "St. John Fisher". Maybe the missing "in" was the actual reason for preferring the Italian name. Lateran Basilica also deals with

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I doubt this is the official Latin title, since it contains a number of grammatical errors. In correct Latin, it should be "Ioannis", rather than Iohannes (standard Latin spelling and genitive case), and Baptistae and Evangelistae (again: genitive case; correct in the infobox but not in the text).

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I concur: on the English Wiki the English form should be the default option, if there's no reason for doing otherwise (and the original is Latin anyway). But take care that it's "Saint John in (the) Lateran" and not "St. John Lateran", as if Lateran were John#s family name (not that you would, but

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Agree with 1-4, though number 5 doesn't make much sense. The office of Pope is exactly the same as the office of Bishop of Rome. The ecumenical powers that the Pope exercises are tied to the Roman see. Thus, if the Pope resigned the episcopate of Rome, he would cease to be Pope. Since Pope is

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articles. What is "great" about these is their canonical status in the modern Catholic Church; as ancient Roman edifices, they were insignificant or late, qualifying rather as paleochristian. Furthermore, there are many churches in Rome that date back to ancient Rome, including some that are also

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In the liturgical calendar revised after Vatican II, the former complex system of ranking feasts has been simplified. In order of importance today from most to least: solemnity, feast, obligatory memorial, and optional memorial. The feast day of the Basilica of St. John Lateran has never been a

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The basilica, unusually among Roman basilicas, is not widely known by Italian name but by its English translation. (The others simply aren't widely known.) Only in American English is there much usage in English of the Italian name, and that is probably because the US after Italy has the highest

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While it's true that languages evolve, and often on the principle of "bad money drives out good", i.e., uneducated and popular forms eventually win out, especially when assisted by analogy or simplicity, over the originally correct form — in the case of the English names of monuments in Rome

2178:– The inconsistency between "St" and "St." is a never-ending nuisance. Since we don't need to save ink on Knowledge (XXG), we may as well just go simple. More than one inlink seem to support this rendering. Terribly sorry if we've been over this before. As a minor detail this would be per 1019:

Support move per reasons clearly spelled out by FearÉIREANN. It is essential that an encyclopedia, any kind of sourebook, or a news agency follow a set of standardized naming and style conventions. Knowledge (XXG) clearly has a very long way to go in that regard; but correcting any single

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Excluding the actual article from the category is unacceptable, because the category mechanism is intended to be two-way, ie to allow navigation from article to category as well as from category to article. Removing this article from Category:Cathedrals in Italy breaks one half of this

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decided to go back to Rome and accept the title during a formal ceremony. He was followed by Charles de Gaulle, Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, Jacques Chirac and Nicolas Sarkozy. Not by Georges Pompidou, or François Mitterrand, who do not reject the title but did not formally accepted it

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article that it is the cathedral of the Archbishop of St. Louis, would you object to that as well? I.e. is your objection one of tying the cathedral to the person instead of the particular church? If so, I think that's understandable, but it is notable to point out that the Pope's

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for the sort is a partial workaround for this. A better workaround, if sorting cathedrals by cityname is really important, is to create a page with a table with, say, the name of the cathedral, the diocese, the city, the relevant saint, the current bishop, etc. There is already

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anything". They may call some Italian churches or basilicas by the Italian name, but always with "of", never with "di". If the other articles mentioned by Gerald Farinas do in fact have "di", they should all be corrected. For instance, who really says in English: "the Basilica

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In attempting to use Knowledge (XXG) to label my own Rome photos, I realized that a photo on this page is mislabeled. The one labeled "Triclinium of Leo III" does depict not a triclinium at all. It is an apse, apparently called a tribune, with copies of the mosaics

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The Etymology chapter is kind of a tautology. The chapter should be removed or substantially changed pointing to an explanation of what Laterano means (Horti Laterani, a land parcel owned by the Roman family of the Plauzi Laterani). Something more can be found

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says that the inscription is "at the base of the columns on either side of the central entrance door", and reads "SACROS LATERAN ECCLES OMNIUM URBIS ET ORBIS ECCLESIARUM MATER ET CAPUT". Which of these is correct, or are both correct?

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I wish I'd seen this when posted. In the case of St. John Lateran, it's just plain not true; Knowledge (XXG) looks very pedantic for the move. And "Basilica. . . ." is almost never used in speech, and infrequently in writing, to precede

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It is a deficiency of the current Category system that, while categories can be sorted by a specified alias, the name listed in the category is the article name and not the sorting alias. Thus, in this case, attempting to use

2017:"Several months later on a sleepy summer night in Rome, bombs placed by the Mafia exploded in two churches in Rome, including the Basilica of St John in Lateran, the pope's cathedral in his capacity as bishop of Rome." - 1928:

What is the basis for what you just wrote? What sources did you use for that? I'd say that whatever sources you used for that would be fine for adding this material to the article until better sources can be found.

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alternative names and would make sure that alternative names point to the entry, but would call the entry by the phrase used most often in the English speaking world to refer to the basilica. Makes perfect sense.

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Is the church named after a saint named St John Lateran? Or is it named after St John the Apostle, with Lateran(us) being just the name of the building, and the ancient Roman family who originally owned it?

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These examples establishes precedence to move this article to the proper title, "Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterno" with a redirect from its lesser used (outside the United States) English translation.

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I am pretty sure that either the Lateran Basilica or the Lateran Palace (next door) or both were bombed by the mafia in response to John Paul II's anti-mafia statments. Should a section be added

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The other articles on Italian basilicas use their proper Italian names because they are known moreso by their Italian names (outside the United States), even by English-speaking people:

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It is stated in the article about the Curia Julia that the bronze doors in this basilica are from the Curia Julia, but I have not found the corresponding information in this article.

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BTW WP does not always put a set of names in the one linguistic format. If some in a list are known in the native language and some in English, it follows that usage. So we have

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canonically basilicas in the Catholic sense (S. Agnese in Agone, S. Clemente, etc.); and at least one salient example that is a basilica in the architectural sense (S. Sabina).

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The President of the French Republic is ex officio the "first and only honorary canon" of the basilica, a title inherited from the Kings of France who held it since Henri IV.

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Ah ha I see, because when I do a search on Google (yes I know, not the annoying Google search again but sometimes useful for orientation purposes) i get 23,600 hits for the

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account is a simple transcription of the inscription in abbreviated form. The full version is easier to read and should be preferred in my opinion. It appears for instance

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5. "cathedral of the popes" is not as informative as it could be, and, again, somewhat misleading. Properly, it's the cathedral of Rome; the popes are the bishops of Rome.

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Just thought I'd explain myself before I edit. And all because I am trying to be too anal in labeling my some thousand Italy photos (at this rate, I'll never finish). —

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BTW, did French presidents between 1871 and 1905 (i.e. Thiers, Mac-Mahon, Grévy, Carnot, Casimir-Perier, Faure, and Loubet) have any connection with the title?

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We commonly use the anglicized name in English. Basilica of Saint John Lateran. I know there is a concern about "of the" but the use is commonly John Lateran.

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Would this hold true if the President of the French Republic were not a Catholic? Or would some other French official hold the position in his place?

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Not because I object to using the english name, however the name that is proposed is wrong in my opinion. Isn't it "Basilica of St. John

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Lateran" or something similar to that? I think we need to have a discussion first on the correct english naming, anyone please comment.

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The following text has been deleted from the article, perhaps in error: "Twice the Lateran Palace and basilica have been rededicated.

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It should be worth adding a section to the current article but I can't find reliable academic sources to back it. What do you think?

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I agree. Two points: 1. The Lateran Treaties stipulate that certain areas in and outside Rome are extraterritorial property of the

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merely a nickname for "Bishop of Rome", the terms "Cathedral of the Bishop of Rome" and "Cathedral of the Pope" are equivalent.

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The family were Laterani not Laterni. Why is this a voting issue? What if a bunch of people "voted" for Laterno? --

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Another name that's used (though I don't know how common it is in English) is simply Lateran Basilica.

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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version just shows yet again the amount of bullshit google searches throws up (another case of the

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Arcibasilica del Santissimo Salvatore e dei Santi Giovanni Battista ed Evangelista in Laterano

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is in the Lateran and that, historically, it was his principal church and is now his seat

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Hang on, I think I misunderstood your #5. Here's an experiment. If I were to say in the

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3. An enumeration of the other four is not needed, and is taken care of by a link to the

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version, and 57,500 for the without version. hm... the (St. John) basilica is after all

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the fact that the basilica was not always dedicated to St. John. Please consider this.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/Curia_Julia#/media/File:Ancient_Roman_Senate_Bronze_doors.jpg

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I moved the page. I had to delete the already existing redirect in order to do so. --

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Is this in Italy or in the Holy See? Can someone please specify this in the article?

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may be the literally correct translation but it isn't used in that form in English.

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Laterno doesn't exist; the name of basilica is Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano

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The church is located outside Vatican City's boundaries but with the principle of

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Sacrosancta Lateranensis ecclesia omnium urbis et orbis ecclesiarum mater et caput

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Even with a google search you get much more hits with LATERANO than with LATERNO.

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Given 100% support in voting for the renaming, the renaming has now been done.

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The correct name is San Giovanni in LATERANO not Laterno - St John in LATERAN

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Does anybody think this picture needs to be also (or perhaps instead) in the

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to the two saints." The text appears informative and essentially correct. --

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was established at the Lateran Palace, devoted to serving the basilica as a

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The cathedral is the seat of the bishop of the diocese, not as a person but

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Italian name is LATERANO, not LATERNO. AFAIK Laterno hasn't got any sense.

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As much as I usually am in favour of using domestic names, in this case I

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2. It is thoroughly misleading to state that it is one of "the five great

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just searching a clear consensus; I can't move the page, probably because

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Not unless you can verify the event. "Pretty sure " is not good enough.

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal.

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Talk:Cathedral of Saint Elias and Saint Gregory the Illuminator

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1905 French law on the Separation of the Churches and the State

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Marble, granite and cement; or marble, granite and concrete?

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In the Lateran Palace section this article states "the words

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article. Still, I think the picture needs a better caption. —

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http://fr.wikipedia.org/Archibasilique_Saint-Jean-de-Latran

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non-standard page is always a step in the right direction.

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Cathedral of Saint Elias and Saint Gregory the Illuminator

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39484767/ns/world_news-europe/

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Lateran is the pope's church: your edit does the trick.

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The illustration of the "Holy Steps" does not show the

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English speakers surely never talk about "the Basilica

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the Lateran, which is the name of the place, correct?

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