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nor there. I think the main thing is to accurately display the entry to conform to the historical description! Although I have seen a source in reviewing Astro Boy state that "Astro Boy could be more accurately described as an "android", this was just one reviewer's opinion and all sources list "Astro Boy" as the adventures of a "robot boy"! This is the consensus as this is how he is known to the general public! To call him anything else would be confusing. Especially since the term "android" is a more esoteric term! But as a compromise maybe somewhere in the entry it could be mentioned that "Astro Boy" can be described as a "humanoid robot" or "android"! (Although for me the term android has been corrupted by the Star Wars movies!)signed ANASTROFAN!
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NOW I AM GETTING PISSED! I did not undo anything accidently or otherwise! And noone can tell me what I can and cannot say! Nor can thay say what may or may not be confusing to someone else! I thought the purpose of this straw poll was to discuss the question of whether Astro Boy should be referred to
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In all articles about Astro Boy, he is referred to as a "robot", especially by his creator! (I like using exclamation points; so sue me!) I have never heard the automaton (another word that can describe Astro Boy!) from Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" described as an android! Of course that is neither here
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Okay here is the main reason why it should be robot. First and foremost because that is the way Dr. Tezuka described him. I would like for a citation where Astro Boy is described as "an android". In fairness I feel the best way to settle this is to compromise. Who knows if Dr. Tezuka were here and
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sides of the argument! So what say you my fellow wikipedians, should another straw poll be started! Can we "robots" live in harmony with "androids"? I say yea; that is what Astro Boy is all about!--signed Yours Truly, ANASTROFAN
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