728:(XXG). By the way, i proposed another picture as a constructive alternative. Second, The phrase "The Robbiati design and patent registrations cover the Atomic shape" doesn't make sense at all. a) How can someone cover an atomic shape (atomic mushroom??? or a nucleus???)? b) The coffee machine doesn't look like a mushroom or an atom, does it?. Mr. Robbiati covered his improvements (patent). The rest is a trademark problematic (atomic name). If someone can explain how someone can cover an atomic shape in a patent, i would be very thankful. I am glad now we can discuss about it without having to delete each others contributions. I can't wait for your answers.
810:?? How an image can be promotional... mmmh let's see... maybe because it has the website address of a australian business who lets these machine be manufactured in Taiwan? Well.. Unless you consider that a business homepage has got its place on Knowledge (XXG)... in this case, you will have to explain what the "Knowledge (XXG) is not a soapbox for means of promotion" policy is all about. Another company as well markets this machine, there is no reason why just this business should have his link on the picture. I proposed a neutral picture. If you make yourself the advocate to the "La sorrentina" company... i don't understand Knowledge (XXG) anymore.
625:
suggesting a particle, a cloud or an explosion). That's because 'Patent' and 'Trademark' are 2 different things. Many coffee machines, stove-top or electrical, of many sizes and shape (some patented which have nothing to do with Mr. Robbiatis first model) wore the label "Atomic". Calling the machine pictured in this article "The" atomic coffee machine is simply ignoring the history of both
Brevetti Robbiati and Stella businesses. As long as you know what you are talking about, i am fine with it. The article improved much in the last few days. Thanks for your constructive remarks.
780:
781:
http://www.google.at/search?hl=de&sugexp=ppwl&cp=12&gs_id=1a&xhr=t&q=atomic+shapes&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1600&bih=933&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi#um=1&hl=de&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=atomic+shape&pbx=1&oq=atomic+shape&aq=f&aqi=g-L1&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=738l738l0l2113l1l1l0l0l0l0l122l122l0.1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=a86d032a9f804575&biw=1600&bih=933
125:
313:
115:
81:
243:
50:
101:
215:
21:
911:
727:
Ok! 2 things i would like to get an explanation for: First, Why is the picture still there although the source and author clearly states a commercial website who was involved in a legal procedure over the name Atomic for these coffee machines ? It clearly goes against the
Soapbox policy of Knowledge
795:
Articles should be illustrated with a variety of images. In the case of the design such as the Atomic coffee maker, which has evolved over the years, it is appropriate to show multiple designs. I fail to see how an image, properly licensed, can be dismissed as promotional. Please explain but don't
598:. This page is used as a matter of promotion and false claims as to the legal case and doesn't reflect the history of this coffee machine. The subject of the article seems to be wether or not one is allowed to manufacture these coffee machines nowadays and under which name they should be marketed.
825:
Like you say, you really don't understand
Knowledge (XXG). Give that some thought and consider what exactly you are doing on Knowledge (XXG). You are using it for soapboxing and making some quite disruptive edits that have been reverted by myself and others. Anyway, back to the picture - an image
624:
Perfect Biker Biker... but how about demonstrating that the US patent or the italian patent for that purpose is linked to the word "atomic"? You probably see something which i don't. One can patent a shape, a function... or trademark a name. None of the patents quote the name Atomic (or anything
609:
The article is about the Atomic coffee maker. The first model, patented in 1946 had a distinctive design. Other designs followed. Rather than substitute every occurrence of "The" with "This" it would be much more constructive to provide reliable sources (not blogs) to show the other designs.
826:
from any source released under a compatible licence can be uploaded to
Wikimedia Commons and can be used on Knowledge (XXG). Again I can't see what your objection is to a clear image - especially one without logos which would be the most common argument against an image being promotional. --
639:
Hi Biker Biker... I have found different pictures for you of other Atomic coffee machines. These coffee machines were marketed by the
Brevetti Robbiati or by STEMAC (Mr. Robbiati's son)... I am looking forward to you explaining how the Atomic shape applies here:
742:
So... it has been a week now. Where are the answers? "Atomic shape" was at the center of a
Trademark battle in Australia. The sad thing beeing: There is no "Atomic shape". You need to differenciate what is a patent to what is a trademark. So easy and yet...
526:. A quick Google search has turned up no mentions of the Atomic coffee machine in reliable sources, though it is referenced in a number of commercial sites. Still, its design and history would seem to imply notability. Help in sourcing would be appreciated.
517:
The original language in this article made a number of direct claims that were not supported by reliable references. I've edited those, and removed a number of external links to an online store site, which are clear violations of
185:
462:
project banner to food and drink related articles and content to help bring them to the attention of members. For a complete list of banners for WikiProject Food and drink and its child projects,
223:
91:
476:
441:
300:
31:
841:
You are right Biker Biker. I better leave this page to your expertive and the one of your colleagues. I probably misunderstood
Knowledge (XXG) at some point. I beg your pardon.
986:
590:
AfD: Contributor 118.210.115.248 = The genericist = Jack Grieve who wrote the article, is using the already protected trademark "Atomic" (Trademark holder: Irene
Notaras
555:
553:
981:
175:
463:
470:
991:
976:
151:
323:
138:
86:
568:
228:
558:
61:
550:
150:
related articles on
Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
547:
561:
452:
27:
255:
251:
580:
494:
67:
49:
880:
872:
715:
954:
923:
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with
864:
831:
801:
769:
701:
615:
871:. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit
652:
648:
645:
641:
901:
683:
576:
533:
842:
811:
744:
729:
655:
626:
20:
846:
815:
748:
733:
659:
630:
448:
100:
543:
924:
939:
711:
346:
312:
564:
519:
950:
827:
797:
697:
611:
931:
675:
527:
523:
405:
930:
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
595:
114:
80:
970:
673:
For one week, if the warring picks up again, it'll be protected longer. Thank you.
594:) in Australia for his coffee machines made in Taiwan. His application was refused:
542:
Use ctrl+F and search for atomic where it's not immediately obvious on these links:
935:
371:
130:
710:
I requested this to stop the IP account - not sure if it'll block
Nitzkovic, tho.
571:, and certainly someone who really wants to source this should pick up a copy of
962:
943:
850:
835:
819:
805:
752:
737:
719:
705:
690:
663:
634:
619:
584:
536:
431:
242:
120:
375:
572:
214:
881:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects/domestic_appliances/1997-899.aspx
918:
An editor has reviewed this edit and fixed any errors that were found.
770:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/74580976/TRADE-MARKS-ACT-1995-DECISION-OF
383:
653:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stellabanana/6344029662/in/photostream/
649:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stellabanana/6343281189/in/photostream/
646:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stellabanana/6343281283/in/photostream
642:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stellabanana/6343281715/in/photostream
447:
Delete unrelated trivia sections found in articles. Please review
427:
409:
379:
363:
359:
355:
147:
435:
401:
367:
351:
143:
591:
43:
15:
886:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the
241:
213:
875:
for additional information. I made the following changes:
873:
User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot*this simple FaQ
601:
Page "Atomic_Coffee_Machine" also witnesses poor ratings.
868:
290:
285:
280:
275:
142:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
596:
http://www.ipmonitor.com.au/trademarks/case/1222669
226:, a task force which is currently considered to be
196:
471:Category:Knowledge (XXG) requested images of food
569:search inside the book on the sidebar for atomic
8:
47:
987:Food and drink articles needing references
934:. works for the webarchive of original url
863:I have just modified one external link on
522:. The remaining references generally fail
263:
193:
160:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Food and drink
75:
222:This article is within the scope of the
30:on 30 October 2011 (UTC). The result of
762:
77:
982:Low-importance Food and drink articles
898:to let others know (documentation at
605:Edit warring over "This" versus "The"
7:
136:This article is within the scope of
992:WikiProject Food and drink articles
977:Start-Class Food and drink articles
796:get into another petty edit war. --
469:Provide photographs and images for
320:Here are some tasks you can do for
163:Template:WikiProject Food and drink
66:It is of interest to the following
14:
867:. Please take a moment to review
909:
475:Consider joining this project's
311:
123:
113:
99:
79:
48:
19:
879:Corrected formatting/usage for
497:from the project's tasks pages.
440:Participate in project-related
180:This article has been rated as
26:This article was nominated for
460:{{WikiProject Food and drink}}
250:This article lacks sufficient
1:
851:23:43, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
836:17:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
820:12:39, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
806:09:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
753:14:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
664:14:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
585:11:00, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
544:blog but possibly instructive
537:20:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
154:and see a list of open tasks.
738:20:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
720:20:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
706:20:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
691:20:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
635:12:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
620:11:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
592:http://trade.mar.cx/AU791650
1008:
860:Hello fellow Wikipedians,
324:WikiProject Food and drink
298:To edit this page, select
186:project's importance scale
139:WikiProject Food and drink
267:Food and Drink task list:
262:
249:
221:
192:
179:
108:
74:
963:12:02, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
944:17:18, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
455:to learn how to do this.
856:External links modified
166:Food and drink articles
493:Note: These lists are
418:articles currently at
392:articles currently at
340:Status or below up to
246:
218:
56:This article is rated
865:Atomic coffee machine
696:Good move, thanks. --
651:or even better here:
477:Assessment task force
245:
217:
60:on Knowledge (XXG)'s
669:Page fully protected
520:Knowledge (XXG):Spam
442:deletion discussions
224:Beverages Task Force
890:parameter below to
336:articles currently
197:Related taskforces:
453:WP:Handling trivia
347:Agaricus bisporus
247:
219:
62:content assessment
961:
688:
515:
514:
511:
510:
507:
506:
503:
502:
490:
489:
350:(i.e. mushroom),
332:Help bring these
236:
235:
42:
41:
999:
957:
956:Talk to my owner
952:
916:
913:
912:
905:
783:
778:
772:
767:
689:
686:
682:
680:
498:
315:
307:
306:
264:
256:inline citations
254:and/or adequate
204:
194:
168:
167:
164:
161:
158:
133:
128:
127:
126:
117:
110:
109:
104:
103:
102:
97:
94:
83:
76:
59:
53:
52:
44:
23:
16:
1007:
1006:
1002:
1001:
1000:
998:
997:
996:
967:
966:
960:
955:
914:
910:
899:
858:
793:
788:
787:
786:
779:
775:
768:
764:
684:
676:
674:
671:
607:
577:Fuhghettaboutit
565:(advertisement)
499:
492:
486:
483:in this section
416:High Importance
316:
295:
202:
165:
162:
159:
156:
155:
129:
124:
122:
98:
95:
89:
57:
12:
11:
5:
1005:
1003:
995:
994:
989:
984:
979:
969:
968:
953:
947:
946:
928:
884:
883:
857:
854:
839:
838:
792:
789:
785:
784:
773:
761:
760:
756:
725:
724:
723:
722:
670:
667:
606:
603:
588:
587:
513:
512:
509:
508:
505:
504:
501:
500:
491:
488:
487:
485:
484:
473:
467:
456:
445:
438:
412:
406:French cuisine
390:Top Importance
386:
334:Top Importance
329:
318:
317:
310:
305:
304:
294:
293:
288:
283:
278:
272:
269:
268:
260:
259:
248:
238:
237:
234:
233:
220:
210:
209:
207:
205:
199:
198:
190:
189:
182:Low-importance
178:
172:
171:
169:
157:Food and drink
152:the discussion
135:
134:
118:
106:
105:
96:Low‑importance
87:Food and drink
84:
72:
71:
65:
54:
40:
39:
32:the discussion
24:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
1004:
993:
990:
988:
985:
983:
980:
978:
975:
974:
972:
965:
964:
958:
951:
945:
941:
937:
933:
929:
926:
922:
921:
920:
919:
907:
903:
897:
893:
889:
882:
878:
877:
876:
874:
870:
866:
861:
855:
853:
852:
848:
844:
837:
833:
829:
824:
823:
822:
821:
817:
813:
808:
807:
803:
799:
790:
782:
777:
774:
771:
766:
763:
759:
755:
754:
750:
746:
740:
739:
735:
731:
721:
717:
713:
709:
708:
707:
703:
699:
695:
694:
693:
692:
687:
681:
679:
668:
666:
665:
661:
657:
654:
650:
647:
643:
637:
636:
632:
628:
622:
621:
617:
613:
604:
602:
599:
597:
593:
586:
582:
578:
574:
570:
566:
562:
559:
556:
554:
551:
548:
545:
541:
540:
539:
538:
535:
531:
530:
525:
521:
496:
482:
481:project ideas
478:
474:
472:
468:
465:
461:
457:
454:
450:
446:
443:
439:
437:
433:
429:
425:
422:status up to
421:
417:
413:
411:
407:
403:
399:
396:status up to
395:
391:
387:
385:
381:
377:
373:
369:
365:
361:
357:
353:
349:
348:
343:
339:
335:
331:
330:
327:
326:
325:
319:
314:
309:
308:
303:
302:
297:
296:
292:
289:
287:
284:
282:
279:
277:
274:
273:
271:
270:
266:
265:
261:
257:
253:
244:
240:
239:
231:
230:
225:
216:
212:
211:
208:
206:
201:
200:
195:
191:
187:
183:
177:
174:
173:
170:
153:
149:
145:
141:
140:
132:
121:
119:
116:
112:
111:
107:
93:
88:
85:
82:
78:
73:
69:
63:
55:
51:
46:
45:
37:
33:
29:
25:
22:
18:
17:
948:
917:
908:
895:
891:
887:
885:
862:
859:
840:
809:
794:
776:
765:
757:
741:
726:
712:MikeWazowski
677:
672:
638:
623:
608:
600:
589:
528:
516:
480:
459:
423:
419:
415:
414:Bring these
397:
393:
389:
388:Bring these
372:Ham and eggs
345:
341:
337:
333:
322:
321:
299:
227:
181:
137:
131:Drink portal
68:WikiProjects
35:
902:Sourcecheck
828:Biker Biker
798:Biker Biker
698:Biker Biker
612:Biker Biker
495:transcluded
479:. List any
464:select here
432:Burger King
58:Start-class
971:Categories
758:References
678:Alexandria
529:Writeswift
252:references
932:this tool
925:this tool
843:Nitzkovic
812:Nitzkovic
745:Nitzkovic
730:Nitzkovic
656:Nitzkovic
644:or here:
627:Nitzkovic
573:this book
449:WP:Trivia
376:Soy sauce
344:status:
92:Beverages
949:Cheers.—
458:Add the
426:status:
400:status:
229:inactive
28:deletion
959::Online
936:Akhooha
888:checked
869:my edit
281:history
184:on the
896:failed
791:Images
685:(talk)
384:Yogurt
64:scale.
524:WP:RS
428:Apple
410:Sugar
380:Sushi
364:Drink
360:Curry
356:Bread
291:purge
286:watch
148:drink
940:talk
892:true
847:talk
832:talk
816:talk
802:talk
749:talk
734:talk
716:talk
702:talk
660:talk
631:talk
616:talk
581:talk
534:talk
451:and
436:Fish
402:Beer
368:Food
352:Beef
301:here
276:edit
146:and
144:food
36:keep
34:was
906:).
894:or
575:.--
176:Low
973::
942:)
904:}}
900:{{
849:)
834:)
818:)
804:)
751:)
736:)
718:)
704:)
662:)
633:)
618:)
610:--
583:)
567:,
563:,
560:,
557:,
552:,
549:,
546:,
434:,
430:,
424:FA
420:GA
408:,
404:,
398:FA
394:GA
382:,
378:,
374:,
370:,
366:,
362:,
358:,
354:,
342:GA
328::
203:/
90::
938:(
927:.
915:Y
845:(
830:(
814:(
800:(
747:(
732:(
714:(
700:(
658:(
629:(
614:(
579:(
532:(
466:.
444:.
338:B
258:.
232:.
188:.
70::
38:.
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
