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in 1975 but the title doesn't make that clear at all. Secondly, the current title might unintentionally seem to suggest to the casual reader some kind of direct military involvement, when of course that would be inaccurate. The suggested title above seems as good as anything I could come up with, although I'd imagine that there would be a range of variations along those lines that would also be workable.
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Gday. The article currently states: "Before the invasion, there is some possible evidence that Australia was feeding intelligence to Indonesia about Portugal, in order to minimise misunderstanding about the toe." What does "the toe" refer to? Is this possibly a typo? Does it possibly mean "about the
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Some users have said there may be a percieved against Paul Keating in this article. I certainly agree the other sections could be bigger, however I was doing research on the Paul Keating and looking at East Timor there, so I had quite a few references. If people have material for the other sections,
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I agree the current title is less than ideal for a number of reasons, not least of which is that it is inexact. Firstly, which invasion of East Timor does it cover (for instance the Portuguese, the Japanese or the Indonesian)? It is of course clear from reading it that it is the Indonesian invasion
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G'day, having a quick read through, I'm not sure that the article title is quite right. Potentially, something like "Australian political responses to the Indonesian occupation of East Timor" might be more appropriate, I think. Anyway, I will ping a few of the usual suspects who tend to have better
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the same in all regions, and should be sublisted separately in each region: intermunicipal entities are sometimes larger and split by subregions (e.g. the Metropolitan Area of Lisbon has two subregions), some intercommunal entities are containing only parts of subregions. All subregions should be
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there is a lot of opinion in the article: it needs to be properly sourced, and clearly attributed in text, e.g. "According to Smith, XYZ..." I also think it needs to be balanced. The situation was very complex, with the political situation being highly nuanced. (I actually wrote a 40,000 word
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I remember at the time, a TV show interviewing a guy, in East Timor, that was actually fighting with Fretilin. Can't find any sources, but it would be interesting to refer to it if a suitable good source could be found. Considering how close we are to East Timor, and how sympathetic a lot of
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references: you will need a bare minimum of one ref at the end of each paragraph, if you want to take this to GA (I suggest holding off on the GA for a while, though. It would probably be better to take it through
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the Introduction, is more of an Overview, I think potentially it should just be moved into the lead, so long as you work all the points into the body, or you could work it into a Background section (per the above
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statistic subdivisions but real administrative entities, so they should be listed below, probably using a smaller font: we can safely eliminate the subgrouping by type of intermunicipal entity from this
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I think the article needs a Background section which briefly outlines the strategic situation (i.e. post Vietnam politics, Cold War, etc.), and recounts the invasion in a summary style.
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The airport is not listed as JoĂŁo Paulo II anywhere. The airport's own website calls itself simply Ponta Delgada, and has no mention of JoĂŁo Paulo.
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I'm not happy with the original title either..clumsy. I thought it was ok at the time, but unhappy with it now in retrospect.
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per the above, the article should be re-titled, but I'd suggest holding off on that to see what the outcome is of the AFD;
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I changed it to "situation", but "the two" also makes sense. I wasn't actually sure when I was copy editing. Regards,
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university thesis on the topic many years ago on the subject, but I won't be dragging that out any time soon...)
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I'd be happy with that. It would mean that the article could focus on non government responses also. Regards,
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I think some of the categories should be rationalised, as potentially not all of them are relevant;
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listed explicitly and not assume they are only intermunicipal entities (which accessorily are
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G'day, I have a few suggestions, which might hopefully help you develop the article further:
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first and see how that goes, before nominating for GA as it currently isn't ready, IMO)
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Apologies, it should be "in order to minimise misunderstanding between the two"... but
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Gents, have you got any suggestions / are you able to help with this article? Cheers,
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you will need a couple of images and/or some sort of supporting media if possible;
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but that is not mandatory to use a template, manual formatting can also be used;
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The Australian public's involvement involvement in East Timor freedom movements
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Thanks so much for the feedback, I'll get on it, all helpful points.
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the bare urls should be formatted and embedded, potentially using
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the duplicate refs should probably just be consolidated as per
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Australians fighting with Fretilin against Indonesian Troops??
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at the time (September 9, 2016). There are suggestions on
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anyway, good luck with improving the article. Regards,
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