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Yes, but it's still mistake in the results which is relevant in the "Results" section. The text I inserted in the article states that "According to the head of the
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It makes the sentence grammatically unbalanced. Currently the relevant fragment reads "Labour
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It's not a mistake: the number of eligible voters is always the same in both the first and second round of a presidential election. This is because the election should be decided by the same people who had the chance to vote in the first round. But now with the re-vote, the government (with the votes
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I wanted to ask here before doing anything drastic - is there any way we can trim the
Candidates section? The list comes across as difficult to read, with all the red/blue links and bold. Also, would it not be better to cover the candidates' election campaigns rather than list names that didn't make
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All 4 candidates who did not make it into the runoff did NOT endorse a candidate. Griss said she shares Van der Bellen's views, but did not endorse him. Lugner said Hofer would be preferable, but did not endorse him. Several SPĂ politicians as well as some ĂVP politicians endorsed Van der Bellen -
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Your list is alright, but two corrections: instead of alphabetical order we should list it from the strongest party in
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I presume the losing first round candidates and/or their parties normally urge their supporters to vote for one of the remaining candidates in the second round. Could we have this information in the article, please. I expect they have probably all urged support for Van der Bellen, but this is not
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That was quite a different situation; he had the tacit support of the ĂVP, as well; he had frozen his party membership after his first election in 2004; and his electoral campaign was not almost wholly financed by the SPĂ. The public discourse on his candidacy was also very, very different.
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I don't think that's an either/or. Sure, we don't *need* to have all those red links, but they don't hurt, I guess. There quite a few media reports remarking on the fact that there were an unprecedented number of candidates trying to gain ballot access, so I do think the list is notable.
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NationalratsprÀsident". It's capitalised, because he's not the first in time but the first in order (as there are two other presidents of the Nationalrat). So a change of the sentence is needed, but the article should become anyway totally changed to a form like e.g. the article
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