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Honestly, I feel we've made a drastic reduction of quoted material in the article, and don't think the copyvio detector is an issue at this time. As has been pointed out, the detector is flawed, as it is not like we aren't attributing the material to those who said it. And, for example with the first
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About Thor's place in the film, Hemsworth said, "Well, Thor stayed on Earth from . So he's here. He's part of the team. This is his home for the moment. So the initial threat of attack from Ultron is personal. Thor then begins to see a bigger picture about what this threat could potentially be and it
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Thank you for taking the time to review this article, and while a I agree with some of your recommendations. I disagree with others. There is a lot of quoting in this article and some of the longer ones could be trimmed back or paraphrased. I disagree with the blanket assertion that "Blockquotes need
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I don't think Cirt is arguing for total removal of quotes, but (imo) they should be used sparingly, when needed to support or emphasize something already written. The quote in the Cast section on the Hulk's lines, for example. That part begins with article prose describing how Ruffalo didn't get his
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Significant concerns about lack of writing respecting copyright laws due to extremely excessive quoting. At the top right of this GA Review page, in the "GA toolbox" you can use the "Copyvio detector" to assist with this. There's way too much quotations throughout the entire article. Whole chunks of
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I have basically the same stuff to say as Triiiple above. I've gone through and got most of the quotes and content down. Spader's Ultron, some in Pre-production and maybe Marketing can come down some more IMO. Also to the other on hold items, I think they've all been address by Triiiple and others
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huge unnecessary blockquote to the side, can be removed, and lots of quotes in paragraph text. Suggestion use CTRL-F and find one quotation-mark. See how many of those are highlighted throughout the entire text of the article. You should be able to trim and/or paraphrase those out so that when the
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The tool is a good tool as a start. GA Reviewer assessment also states there's way too much use of both blockquoting and quoting. It's evidence of poor writing -- the writer is afraid they can't write the article themselves -- and so they string together a bunch of quotes to make an article. —
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could use a better fair use rationale. In the "Purpose of use" field, please add a numbered list of point-by-point argumentation for why this is fair use. Really nail it out as if you're arguing it at a deletion debate or something? Why is it integral to the article? How is it discussed in the
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Article talk page history and archives shows no current ongoing outstanding issues. Inspection of article edit history shows stability going back at least over one month, with one outlier from 8 October 2015 which wasn't too much of a big deal it looks like. No issues here.
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Have you taken some time to at least consider suggestion number 3, above, and read the instructions, and then thought about it for yourself, just as an option only, and a suggestion, as a way to help the Knowledge community clear out our backlogs as a way to
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above and/or already rectified. As for Accolades, the Teen Choice Awards are the only that have given the film nominations. Those won't be the only ones in my opinion. We just haven't gotten any other award ceremonies yet to release nominations. -
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lines until the last minute, then added a quote from the director to support and contextualize that statement. I might trim the length of it some, but that is a good use of a quote. Compare that with the quote in Thor's section:
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mentioned, and my approach towards quotes vis-a-vis copyright. In general I like to see quotes supporting the prose in the article, and not just supplying new content by themselves. The test I use is: Does the quote provide
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is general summary of the article's contents, not in-depth specifics. That said, the lead is missing a recap of the general critical consensus. I'll make other comments and update my progress as I go along.--
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to go. Quotes need to go." I'll see what I can do where I can, but some quoting is beneficial for perspective and neutrality and not at all out-of-line with Knowledge policies or guidelines or even
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Without using search engine, and just ticking the external links cited in the article itself, this says: 71.4% copyvio likely, with over 30% copyvio likely for fourteen (14) other sources.
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article is ready to revisit -- there are only a handful. Like ten or so tops. This is not impossible to fix, it should not be too hard, but right now, it's the most major problem.
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Okay, sounds good, keep us posted. It sure seems like a small sect to dedicate to one form of awards organization, but I agree with you that it's likely to grow, hopefully. :) —
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other news articles are lifted (even with attribution, it's too much) and blockquoted, in this article. This is the major sticking point to GA here. This and failing
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link in the detector, we are using material for various parts of the article from one new source, so that is "adding up" detection, as well as names of films etc. -
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standards. If you insist on total removal, I think a second opinion would be warranted. Also, I think you are going overboard with the level of detail in the lead.
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https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Avengers%3A+Age+of+Ultron&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=0&use_links=1
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sect, either, so a summary of that sect should be included in the lede, in order to show a few of the (different) points-of-view from critics about the film.
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Passed as GA. My thanks to all parties above for such polite responsiveness to GA Recommendations. Great job on the Quality improvement efforts. :) —
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Only issue here pertains to the lede intro sect, as it doesn't represent an adequate summary of the article, and thus, not an adequate summary of the
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Sounds great, keep us posted here. These are all quite encouraging developments, very pleased, thank you for your Quality improvement efforts !!! —
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Now that the one remaining blockquote is left, it draws attention to that particular one and looks quite good in that manner, nicely done here.
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I really do feel that the article will look a whole lot better once my above recommendations have been successfully addressed, hopefully.
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I truly do greatly appreciate all the Quality improvement efforts by all editors involved that have gone into improving the page.
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Thank you very much for your efforts to contribute to Quality improvement on Knowledge, it's really most appreciated !!!
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Okay, I have expanded the lead to contain a consensus of the critical opinions, also added some post-production info. (
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sect, indeed, the entire article, is basically a string of quotes from one quote to the next, a big quotefarm. The
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That quote pretty much just supplies new content that could have been manually re-written and cited to the source.
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I'll place this as GA on Hold for Seven Days, and hopefully above will be addressed within Seven Days. Good luck!
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Hi all, sorry I didn't get to comment here yesterday... darn RL creeping in. Just to expound somewhat on what
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When I revisit I'll use that tool, again, to reevaluate the amount of quotation versus potential for copyvio.
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only, but please do familiarize yourself at least with how to review, and then think about it. Thank you. —
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Just if it happened to come across that I'm being tough about the copyvio concern or something like that.
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You should please try to get that down to below thirty-percent for all those sources at that tool.
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And basically the way to do that is to trim and/or paraphrase as many quotations as possible.
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http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/webchecklinks.py?page=Avengers:_Age_of_Ultron
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Good structural organization and good overall focus and flow to the article. No issues here.
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Just wanted to put it out there that I happen to be a huge fan of this particular film.
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Article certainly appears to rely upon a preponderance of secondary sources, throughout.
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article itself? How does the picture make a difference to the average Knowledge reader?
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Thanks for the thoughts, I'm going through these now but it may take a little while.--
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The article does indeed seem to conform to the manual of style for film articles, per
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A few responses to above and perhaps some minor tweaks, and should be all set. :) —
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Good attribution to sources, good reliable sources, I'm seeing high quality like
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The problem with that tool is it is saying that the article is a copyvio of
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See above re more argumentation at the 2nd fair use image page, please.
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Okay, thank you! You've all done outstanding work so far! Good luck, —
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entire review, and not interspersed throughout, thanks! —
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entire review, and not interspersed throughout, thanks!
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only, but I ask you to please at least read over the
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