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Israeli supporter of BDS which makes no such claim. In the circumstances, since the claim is contentious and challenged, the onus is surely on editors to find a stronger source (if one exists, which I doubt) to confirm this. The burden of proof should not be placed on those who disagree with a statement to disprove it, but on those who make the claim to prove it. I don't believe that this has been established here, and propose to remove the reference to ACRI.
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We assert that the ACRI supports BDS. Two people have asserted that it doesn't, and asked for the statement to be removed. Our response has been to ask them for proof that the ACRI does not support BDS, which is extremely difficult to provide. If the ACRI had made a statement opposing BDS, this would
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Hello, I would like to submit a request to remove ACRI from the lists of NGOs that support the BDS movement. ACRI has never been in any private or public partnerships with the BDS movement nor have they publicly announced their support for the movement. Please remove ACRI from the list of supporters
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But you think we should take the statement of some bloke on a blog at face value & that should take precedence? 🙄 The BDS movement itself is the best source for describing what its own movement is based on within its own article. Anything else is opinion. Regardless, those dissenting opinions
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Profile, issued statements supporting the boycott, and conferences were organized to discuss this method of resisting the occupation." whereas your statement is
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Hezbollah and Al Quada is ridiculous. Comparing BDS with the 1,600 synagogues ransacked and 300 set on fire in one night is beyond the pale and an insult to Holocaust survivors. Please lower the level of hyperbole. This does not convince.
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Hezbollah, Al Quada and antifa don't describe themselves as terrorists. Having a newspaper like the Jerusalem Post the leading Mideast newspaper is a much better
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