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The generally accepted definition for an airworthy aircraft when referring to survivors is an aircraft with a valid airworthiness certificate. Exceptions include crashed/destroyed aircraft awaiting or undergoing extensive restoration or pending cancellation, or other aircraft which obviously aren't
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There's at least one airworthy B-17 not on this list. The Movie Memphis Belle lives at and operates from the National Warplane Museum in Geneseo, NY USA. She's the "actress" who played the lead role in the movie Memphis Belle starring Matthew Modine. (Sorry I can't recall the year right now.) I
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December 2007 announcement from NASM that B-17D "The Swoose" is going to be swapped with the USAFM B-17G "Sho Sho Sho Baby" sometime in 2008. The B-17F "Memphis Belle is going to take the place of Baby and the B-17D is going to the restoration shop at USAFM
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to be based on "they are actively being flown by their operators" (or if other criteria were used, clarification welcome). Which I can support, but "airworthy" wording seems problematic without more context or some adjustment to the "Status" column.
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Ah, gotcha. Maybe "Location" and "Institution"? Or even "Location", "Institution", and a new column for "Owner"? Or I could try to mock up a table that has "Location" as a two-column-wide label over sortable "City" and "Institution" columns.
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listed it as airworthy in the article (the above green-check looks to be an editing error; compare with others who are also noted as "but restoration is not complete"). Open to discussion, especially if anyone has a more recent update.
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Evergreen international isn't flyable. She's on display, but per the docents she has a wing spar crack (there are airworthiness directives requiring inspection for this issue every year on B-17's.) and is unlikely to ever fly
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B-17 Flying Fortress airframes. According to the article, 12,731 aircraft were produced. So should we list all but the few dozen survivors in such a section in this article? No. The addition of the new section falls under
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hasn't been flown since 2014... does that make it un-airworthy? It may simply reflect a decision by the operator not to fly it, for any number of reasons. What if it had last been flown months ago?
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Yeah, and this list still has the Belle in Memphis. The Belle's own page has her correct current location at USAFM. I'm not going to mess with it though, lest some admin jump me for a citation.
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Crashed at Bradley International, Hartford CT, this morning. Fatalities involved (quantity not yet reported); airport closed due to fire.
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The four with a green checkmark are the currently "airworthy" ones, but it seems the number can very arguably be 6 rather than 4.
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the Liberty bell should be removed from the list as it is no longer a surviving plane, it crashed this morning in Illinois.
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Regarding long-term maintenance, these aircraft can be out of the air for several months if not years under such conditions.
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a new section called "Accidents and incidents" and I reverted it. I feel like such a section is unwarranted for a list of
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We could simplify "Geographic location" to "Location" and "Institutional location" to "Owner". Is there a reason not to?
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know this from personal experience as well as reviewing the Knowledge (XXG) page for the National Warplane Museum.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vintage-b-17-plane-crashes-erupts-flames-bradley-international-airport-n1061161
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I've just updated the article with regards to airworthy count. After looking at the status of Champaign Lady (see
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on 23 November. Looking at the nine that were listed above, their latest Status (what's listed in the column) is:
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I'd rather get things right for the article than the other option so I'm very grateful for your advice.
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That B-17 is on the list. The aircraft is S/N 44-83546, a B-17G that has been restored as a B-17F. -
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https://web.archive.org/web/20090512173732/http://www.azcaf.org/pages/aircraft_bios/B-17G_FlyFort.html
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I see there is still a photo which must have been what you were referring to. I will remove it now. —
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I can't find F-AZDX on any European registry database, so I assume it has expired or was canceled.
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To avoid any confusion, the list of airworthy B-17s after the November 2022 crash is as follows:
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The number of airworthy planes, as noted in the lead, was adjusted from 9 to 4 by
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Great, thanks; I've made the change. Thanks for your fine work on this page.
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http://sasmuseum.web01.bosmallbusiness.com/aircraft/b-17g-flying-fortress/
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lists it as 9, whereas the current one puts it at 10. Is 9 correct?--
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What definition of "airworthy" is being used? For example, while
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Please change the number of airworthy B-17's from "9" to "8"
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I think "Location" and "Institution" would work fine.
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